Third Person Definition

Wouldn't it be terrible to be lost because of a grammatical error? A misunderstanding? A type of grammatical person! An Illeism!  Christ spoke often in the third person of Himself. Because he never exalted Himself, but took on the role of a servant, even in speech.

Jesus spoke of Himself many times in the third person known as Illeism. See defination here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_person).

What does it mean to speak in third person?

Third person = "the absent": someone who is neither speaking nor being spoken to. These terms are used to classify words according to who they refer to: as you mention in the question, when it comes to pronouns, I and we belong to the first person, you to the second, and he/she/it/they to the third person.

Illeism /ˈɪli.ɪzəm/ (from Latin ille meaning "he, that") is the act of referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person. Illeism is sometimes used in literature as a stylistic device. Source: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=illeism+definition

Third person or third-person may refer to:
  • A type of grammatical person (in English, hesheit and they)
    • Illeism, referring to oneself using this grammar ("in the third person")
  • Third-person narrative, a perspective in plays, storytelling, or movies
    • Third-person view, a point of view shot in film, television and video games by having the viewpoint outside any of the actors 

Christ was referring to Himself as the Comforter His Father would send to replace His visible presence with Christ's Spirit - His omnipresent Spirit! Able to be present everywhere! It was expedient for Him to go back to Heaven - so he could return and be present everywhere by His own Spirit/Presence instead of limited to His human form and only able to be in one place at a time. This is part of what makes Christ intricately like His Father and His God = "omnipresent". Only NOW "invisible", "unseen", "withdrawn from the eye of sense"....ect...

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you" John 16:7. (Example of Jesus speaking in third person = called "Illeism" )

"Many who refuse the message which the Lord sends them are seeking to find pegs on which to hang doubts, to find some excuse for rejecting the light of heaven. In the face of clear evidence they say, as did the Jews, “Show us a miracle, and we will believe. If these messengers have the truth, why do they not heal the sick?” ...

Could their eyes be opened, they would see evil angels exulting around them and triumphing in their power to deceive them. The day is just before us when Satan will answer the demand of these doubters and present numerous miracles to confirm the faith of all those who are seeking this kind of evidence. How terrible will be the situation of those who close their eyes to the light of truth and ask for miracles to establish them in deception!—Letter 4, 1889Evangelism, p. 594.1 (Ellen G. White).


"Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceivedwho desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth; but it is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truthChrist is the truth and the “Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” John 1:9 Darkness Before Dawn, p. 11 (Ellen G. White). 

I do not disagree with you that the third person/office of the Godhead is the "holy" Spirit (cultivator). Where you and I disagree is that the third person is SOMEONE OTHER THAN CHRIST our ONLY MEDIATOR!

Our ONLY MEDIATOR:
"
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus1 Timothy 2:5.

"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant" Hebrews 12:24.

I believe the third person is Christ's Spirit, his own HOLY Spirit sent to convict and teach us the truth about Himself! 

Jesus spoke of Himself many times in the third person known as Illeism. See defination here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_person).

What does it mean to speak in third person?

Third person = "the absent": someone who is neither speaking nor being spoken to. These terms are used to classify words according to who they refer to: as you mention in the question, when it comes to pronouns, I and we belong to the first person, you to the second, and he/she/it/they to the third person.

Illeism /ˈɪli.ɪzəm/ (from Latin ille meaning "he, that") is the act of referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person. Illeism is sometimes used in literature as a stylistic device. Source: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=illeism+definition

Third person or third-person may refer to:
  • A type of grammatical person (in English, hesheit and they)
    • Illeism, referring to oneself using this grammar ("in the third person")
  • Third-person narrative, a perspective in plays, storytelling, or movies
    • Third-person view, a point of view shot in film, television and video games by having the viewpoint outside any of the actors 
Also, be sure to read the text (John 14:16) in CONTEXT (John 14:16-18). Don't stop at verse 16, because Jesus clarifies who is coming! See verse 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."!

No doubt about that. Jesus says He Himself is the Comforter! If we let the Bible interpret itself and don't interpose a perverse will - we won't be lost. Because it is impossible for Satan to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truthChrist is the truth and the “Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” John 1:9".

John 14:16-18(KJV)

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


In John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am ... the truth,.... no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" 1 Corinthians 15:45.

Example of Jesus speaking of HIMSELF in the third person:

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself [he does NOT speak HIS words but the words "His Father" GAVE him to speak]; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come" John 16:13.

John 7:16
Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

John 8:26
"I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."

John 8:28
So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

John 14:10
Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

John 14:31
but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. "Come now; let us leave.

John 17:8
For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.


"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak" John 12:49.

John 6:68
Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--John 14:16 (Jesus often spoke of Himself in the third person...) Example: 1After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:  "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

There are a number of places where Jesus refers to himself in the third person. The most common is when he uses the title 'Son of Man' (by my count, there are some 78 times Jesus uses that title in the gospels!). For example Matthew 16:13 (NIV): When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"

but He spoke in the 'third person' by calling Himself: 

For example: ‘The Father loves The Son and has given everything into His hand’ (John 
3:35). Jesus could have said, “My Father loves Me and has given everything into My hand” 
but that was not the way Jesus spoke. 

He never exalted Himself.

God expressly commanded us to, “Listen to Him.” That word ‘listen’ in this context, means more than just 
hearing Jesus’ words. That means to listen, pay attention, obey, yield to His authority as 
God the Father’s divine representative on this earth. If we disobey any directive given by 
Jesus, we are disobeying God the Father. ‘And so each of us will have to give an account 
of himself to God’ (Romans 14:12). We need to take Jesus seriously. 


The disciples could not understand how Jesus could go to Heaven yet be with them here too by His Spirit. If you have Jesus, you also have His Father also. 1 John 2:23 "No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." I certainly do not want to deny that Jesus is truly the literal Son of God - he was and is not just "role playing" as the SDA church claims today....1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God." 1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well."

 "At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." John 14:20

2 John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

New International Version (©1984)
"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 

Matthew 10:32-33

King James Version (KJV)

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

By denying that Jesus truly is the literal Son of God who God SENT from Heaven to reconcile us back to Himself, we ARE denying Jesus. By denying Jesus is the Son of God, we are denying the Father also. I certainly do not want to deny them! We need them both desperately! "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son." 2 John 1:9

A few quotes by Ellen White on the Comforter: 

"WE WANT THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST.” {Lt66-1894 (April 10, 1894) par. 18} - EGW

Ellen White cannot be much plainer than that. 

While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light....

There is but one course for those to pursue who honestly desire to be freed from doubts. Instead of questioning and caviling concerning that which they do not understand, let them give heed to the light which already shines upon them, and they will receive greater light. Let them do every duty which has been made plain to their understanding, and they will be enabled to understand and perform those of which they are now in doubt.

Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceived, who desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth; but it is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truth. Christ is the truth and the “Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” John 1:9. The Spirit of truth has been sent to guide men into all truth. And upon the authority of the Son of God it is declared: “Seek, and ye shall find.” “If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine.” Matthew 7:7John 7:17.


"Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter.” {Ms7-1902 (January 26, 1902) par. 10} - EGW

“We adore God for His wonderous love in giving us Jesus the Comforter” SD 124


 "The Saviour is our Comforter” 8 MR 49

 

“There is no Comforter like Christ” RH OCT 26, 1897

 

“He (Christ) is the comforter” RH JAN 27, 1903

 

“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” 19 MR 293


the doctrine of Christ -"He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son." 2 John 1:9


Said the angel, "Think ye that the Father yielded up His dearly beloved Son without a struggle? No, no. It was even a struggle with the God of heaven, whether to let guilty man perish, or to give His beloved Son to die for him" Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 63–65.


If you insist that Christ is not our Comforter as Ellen White the inspired prophet of God says He is...Can you tell me where from the Bible that the THIRD BEING called "God the Holy Spirit" is someone other than Christ?

Also, where in the Bible is Jesus called "God the Son"? I can find no such terminology. I find many times where Jesus is called the "Son of God". "God the Son" makes this into something other than the "Son of God" implies.

"Those who turn from the plain teaching of Scripture and the convicting power of God’s Holy Spirit are inviting the control of demons." The Desire of Ages, p. 258.2

Dictionary meaning of Preverse: Showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable, often in spite of the consequences.

You said, "There is one point where I have some reservations or where I would probably have added a bit more. It is where you say that Jesus overcame completely because of depending on the indwelling spirit of the Father in Him. I think this is true to a large extent, but it does not explain how He overcame on the cross when the Father withdrew His spirit from Him. I think we have to acknowledge that Jesus' own divine nature made Him intrinsically good. He was by nature, in His spirit, perfectly good, even though physically and intellectually He was just like us"....

Consider this - what do you think of this? How do the 144,000 live in the sight of a Holy God without a mediator? So God withdrew His Spirit from Christ...... I am only thinking here...  Christ had the MIND of God and we are to have the mind of God in us as well. This can go much farther and deeper in study and prayer.

I have also had this on the edges of my mind... and please correct me if you think it to be way off base.... but I don't believe it is at this point:

"there be gods many, and lords many,)" 1 Cor 8:5. "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" 1 Corinthians 8:6.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" Psalms 82:6.

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" John 10:34.

More texts I am gathering together about this topic... here:


But I have another question for you. Do you think...the "GODS MANY" could be us when we KNOW and UNDERSTAND the source of our POWER/Character/thoughts and feelings? The Spirit of Jesus in us! IS THE THIRD BEING - us filled with the Holy Spirit JESUS CHRIST invisible power and authority given to us? This IS the body of Christ....many believers collectively - in one body -  "At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you" John 14:20.

John 17:23 "I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, and have loved them, as you have loved me

The holy spirit in us causing us to become like gods...in authority and power is only one or another aspect of the great and grand power of God....through Christ.

This makes us LIKE Divinity...Godlike in character ("gods many" per 1 Cor 8:5), nature = "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father" John 14:12.

IF Jesus overshadows us and fills us with His seed/truth like God overshadowed Mary and creates a  NEW BIRTH in us, through HIS DIVINITY: (See definition of Divinity here)
  • uniparous= producing a single young at a birth.
  • deiparous = Giving birth to a god or goddess.
  • deipotent=Having divine power. (powerful)


  • ("character is influence" 2MR98.3) 
  • Holy Spirit = "The DIVINE SPIRIT that the world’s Redeemer promised to send IS the PRESENCE and POWER (character) of God." ST November 23, 1891, par. 1, Ye Shall Receive Power, p. 39.5
  • "Character IS power.” {COL 340.2} defined further in Gal 5:23-24
  • What does “Character” consist of exactly? 
  • "The thoughts and feelings combined make up the moral character."  Messages to Young People, p. 92.1
  • Merriam-Webster says “Character” is “The mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual.” Also known as  our  nature, personality, temper, figure, disposition. 

Divinity definition: 
  • Christian
  • angelic
  • consecrated
  • devoted
  • godfearing
  • believing
  • converted
  • devout
  • godly
  • deiparous = Giving birth to a god or goddess.
  • elected
  • heavenly
  • Philadelphian
  • deipotent=Having divine power.
  • uniparous= producing a single young at a birth.
  • deity
  • sanctity
  • genius
  • god
  • goddess
  • godhead
  • godliness
  • holiness
  • lord
  • spirit
  • godship
  • guardian spiri
  • prime mover
  • higher power
  • godhod
  • celestial
  • instigator
  • motivator
  • mover
  • author
  • creator
  • drive
  • initial force
  • motive force
  • power source
  • primum mobile

“It was a difficult task for the Prince of life to carry out the plan which He had undertaken for the salvation of man, in clothing His divinity with humanity. He had received honor in the heavenly courts, and was familiar with absolute powerIt was as difficult for Him to keep the level of humanity as for men to rise above the low level of their depraved natures and be partakers of the divine nature”  The Review and Herald April 1, 1875 paragraph 2 (Ellen G. White).

"Christ came to reveal the SOURCE of his power, that man might never rely on his unaided human capabilities.” (Ellen G. White, Review & Herald 18th February 1890, ‘How to meet a controverted point of doctrine’)

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin" (1 John 1:7). 

Christ’s life on this earth was like the born again Christian’s must be—a life of perfect trust in God. He trusted Himself to His Father; we trust ourselves to Him. He lived without depending upon His perfect nature which He had set aside before He left heaven. We must live, realizing as He did, that of ourselves we can do nothing. We die to our old nature and live by Christ who dwells within us. Christ refused to use His divine (natural) nature!

We must never revert to using our human (natural) nature which is dead, which we must keep dead continuously. 2 Cor. 4: 10 -12.

"ALL the MIRACLES of Christ performed for the afflicted and suffering were, by the POWER OF GODthrough the ministration of angels." Review and Herald January 21, 1873.

“Man may become a partaker of the divine nature; not a soul lives who may not summon the aid of Heaven in temptation and trial. Christ came to reveal the SOURCE of his power, that man might never rely on his unaided human capabilities.” (Ellen G. White, Review & Herald 18th February 1890, ‘How to meet a controverted point of doctrine’)

Jesus shares the authority God GAVE Him with us:

Luke 9:1: "Then he called his twelve disciples together, and GAVE THEM power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases."

Mark 13:34 "For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, AND to every man HIS WORK, and commanded the porter to watch."


Satan tempted both Christ and us in the same way, by trying to break our relationship or dependence upon God. This is why we must constantly think positionally and not conditionally. Being justified, we are members of God’s family—a fact we must never forget. Whenever we do wrong Satan tries to use our failure as evidence that our position is not real but only imaginary. He also tried to force Christ to think the same way.

"But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man" Acts 10:26.

Acts 14:15
"Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.

Revelation 19:10
"At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus."

Revelation 22:8
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.

Wouldn't it be terrible to be lost because of a grammatical error? A misunderstanding? A type of grammatical person! An Illeism!  Christ spoke often in the third person of Himself. See below:

Christ was referring to Himself as the Comforter His Father would send to replace His visible presence with Christ's Spirit - His omnipresent Spirit! Able to be present everywhere! It was expedient for Him to go back to Heaven - so he could return and be present everywhere by His own Spirit/Presence instead of limited to His human form and only able to be in one place at a time. This is part of what makes Christ intricately like His Father and His God = "omnipresent". Only NOW "invisible", "unseen", "withdrawn from the eye of sense"....ect...

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you" John 16:7. (Example of Jesus speaking in third person = called "Illeism" )

"Many who refuse the message which the Lord sends them are seeking to find pegs on which to hang doubts, to find some excuse for rejecting the light of heaven. In the face of clear evidence they say, as did the Jews, “Show us a miracle, and we will believe. If these messengers have the truth, why do they not heal the sick?” ...

Could their eyes be opened, they would see evil angels exulting around them and triumphing in their power to deceive them. The day is just before us when Satan will answer the demand of these doubters and present numerous miracles to confirm the faith of all those who are seeking this kind of evidence. How terrible will be the situation of those who close their eyes to the light of truth and ask for miracles to establish them in deception!—Letter 4, 1889Evangelism, p. 594.1 (Ellen G. White).


"Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceivedwho desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth; but it is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truthChrist is the truth and the “Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” John 1:9 Darkness Before Dawn, p. 11 (Ellen G. White). 

I do not disagree with you that the third person/office of the Godhead is the "holy" Spirit (cultivator). Where you and I disagree is that the third person isSOMEONE OTHER THAN CHRIST! :(

I believe the third person is Christ's Spirit, his own HOLY Spirit sent to convict and teach us the truth about Himself! 

Jesus spoke of Himself many times in the third person known as Illeism. See defination here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_person).

What does it mean to speak in third person?

Third person = "the absent": someone who is neither speaking nor being spoken to. These terms are used to classify words according to who they refer to: as you mention in the question, when it comes to pronouns, I and we belong to the first person, you to the second, and he/she/it/they to the third person.

Illeism /ˈɪli.ɪzəm/ (from Latin ille meaning "he, that") is the act of referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person. Illeism is sometimes used in literature as a stylistic device. Source: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=illeism+definition

Third person or third-person may refer to:
  • A type of grammatical person (in English, hesheit and they)
    • Illeism, referring to oneself using this grammar ("in the thirdperson")
  • Third-person narrative, a perspective in plays, storytelling, or movies
    • Third-person view, a point of view shot in film, television and video games by having the viewpoint outside any of the actors 
Also, be sure to read the text (John 14:16) in CONTEXT (John 14:16-18). Don't stop at verse 16, because Jesus clarifies who is coming! See verse 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."!

No doubt about that. Jesus says He Himself is the Comforter! If we let the Bible interpret itself and don't interpose a perverse will - we won't be lost. Because it is impossible for Satan to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truthChrist is the truth and the “Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” John 1:9".

John 14:16-18(KJV)

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


In John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am ... the truth,.... no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" 1 Corinthians 15:45.

Example of Jesus speaking of HIMSELF in the third person:

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself [he does NOT speak HIS words but the words "His Father" GAVE him to speak]; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come" John 16:13.

John 7:16
Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

John 8:26
"I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."

John 8:28
So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

John 14:10
Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

John 14:24
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

John 14:31
but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. "Come now; let us leave.

John 17:8
For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.


"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak" John 12:49.

John 6:68
Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--John 14:16 (Jesus often spoke of Himself in the third person...) Example: 1After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:  "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

There are a number of places where Jesus refers to himself in the third person. The most common is when he uses the title 'Son of Man' (by my count, there are some 78 times Jesus uses that title in the gospels!). For example Matthew 16:13 (NIV): When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"

but He spoke in the 'third person' by calling Himself: 

For example: ‘The Father loves The Son and has given everything into His hand’ (John 
3:35). Jesus could have said, “My Father loves Me and has given everything into My hand” 
but that was not the way Jesus spoke. 

He never exalted Himself.

God expressly commanded us to, “Listen to Him.” That word ‘listen’ in this context, means more than just 
hearing Jesus’ words. That means to listen, pay attention, obey, yield to His authority as 
God the Father’s divine representative on this earth. If we disobey any directive given by 
Jesus, we are disobeying God the Father. ‘And so each of us will have to give an account 
of himself to God’ (Romans 14:12). We need to take Jesus seriously. 


The disciples could not understand how Jesus could go to Heaven yet be with them here too by His Spirit. If you have Jesus, you also have His Father also. 1 John 2:23 "No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." I certainly do not want to deny that Jesus is truly the literal Son of God - he was and is not just "role playing" as the SDA church claims today....1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God." 1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well."

 "At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." John 14:20

2 John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

New International Version (©1984)
"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32 

Matthew 10:32-33

King James Version (KJV)

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

By denying that Jesus truly is the literal Son of God who God SENT from Heaven to reconcile us back to Himself, we ARE denying Jesus. By denying Jesus is the Son of God, we are denying the Father also. I certainly do not want to deny them! We need them both desperately! "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son." 2 John 1:9

A few quotes by Ellen White on the Comforter: 

"WE WANT THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST.” {Lt66-1894 (April 10, 1894) par. 18} - EGW

Ellen White cannot be much plainer than that. 

While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light....

There is but one course for those to pursue who honestly desire to be freed from doubts. Instead of questioning and caviling concerning that which they do not understand, let them give heed to the light which already shines upon them, and they will receive greater light. Let them do every duty which has been made plain to their understanding, and they will be enabled to understand and perform those of which they are now in doubt.

Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceived, who desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth; but it is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truth. Christ is the truth and the “Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” John 1:9. The Spirit of truth has been sent to guide men into all truth. And upon the authority of the Son of God it is declared: “Seek, and ye shall find.” “If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine.” Matthew 7:7John 7:17.


"Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter.” {Ms7-1902 (January 26, 1902) par. 10} - EGW

“We adore God for His wonderous love in giving us Jesus the Comforter” SD 124


 "The Saviour is our Comforter” 8 MR 49

 

“There is no Comforter like Christ” RH OCT 26, 1897

 

“He (Christ) is the comforter” RH JAN 27, 1903

 

“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” 19 MR 293


the doctrine of Christ -"He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son." 2 John 1:9


Said the angel, "Think ye that the Father yielded up His dearly beloved Son without a struggle? No, no. It was even a struggle with the God of heaven, whether to let guilty man perish, or to give His beloved Son to die for him" Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 63–65.


If you insist that Christ is not our Comforter as Ellen White the inspired prophet of God says He is...Can you tell me where from the Bible that theTHIRD BEING called "God the Holy Spirit" is someone other than Christ?

Also, where in the Bible is Jesus called "God the Son"? I can find no such terminology. I find many times where Jesus is called the "Son of God". "God the Son" makes this into something other than the "Son of God" implies.

"Those who turn from the plain teaching of Scripture and the convicting power of God’s Holy Spirit are inviting the control of demons." The Desire of Ages, p. 258.2

Dictionary meaning of Preverse: Showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable, often in spite of the consequences.


Let us not have a perverse will and thus frustrate the Grace of God offered to us!

May God bless you dear brother and sister. These are serious discussions of which a record is being made in Heaven.


Interesting thoughts!

We are to be gods with Christ's Spirit indwelling in us. 

Think and pray on it. May God bless you and give you power from on High. 




Let us not have a perverse will and thus frustrate the Grace of God offered to us!
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