The Preincarnate Son of God

Jesus is God’s complete revelation of Himself.
Christ is the Son of GOD, that by some Divine Act Christ was brought forth from the Father before creation. And the Spirit proceeds from the Father, through the Son, making them both every-where present.

Who 
we worship, what kind of a God we 
adore and praise, has tremendous consequences to our understanding of 
God’s love, the integrity of His character, and the power of His salvation.

It is Satan who constantly questions the divine son-ship of Christ. Satan said, "The Devil said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."

Christ was Twice Born, once in Heaven of the Spirit and Once on Earth of the Flesh. Just as we must be twice born, only in opposites for us. We are Born of the flesh first, then we must be born of the Spirit or born again of GOD before we can enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Ever think of why the  Jews wanted to kill Jesus? It was for blasphemy. Because Jesus said He was the Son of God reincarnated. So if people want to kill you or call you a heretic - you are in good company. They killed Jesus for the same thing.
 
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!" ....before Abraham was, I have been. The Jews were about to stone Jesus for blasphemy, but he withdrew; ....even because you, although being a man, make yourself a mighty god. The God and Father of Jesus had already said he was a "mighty God" in Hebrews 1:2, 8-10.

Take some time to seek the truth, for the traditions of men cannot save your soul.

"Traditions of men" defined: unscriptural doctrine or belief; an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom)

b : a belief or story or a body of beliefs or stories relating to the past that are commonly accepted as historical though not verifiable

c: the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction

More info about the pre-existance of the Son of God prior to Bethlehem:

So many people profess that they are living for Christ and yet have never been "Born again".
Naturally speaking, a person cannot live until they are first born, and so it is spiritually. We
cannot Live spiritually unless we are born again in the Spirit, or born of GOD's Spirit. GOD living inside us (our minds) thru His SON JESUS living inside us and us living inside Jesus. (John 3:5)
"At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." John 14:20 

John 3:5 (KJV) "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
"As Christ was twice born, once in eternity, the only begotten of the Father, and again here in the flesh, thus uniting the divine with the human in that second birth, so we, who have been born once already in the flesh, are to have the second birth, being born again of the Spirit, in order that our experience may be the same, the human and the divine being joined in a life union." W.W. PRESCOTT Review and Herald, April 14, 1896 p. 232.

"He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, GOD's first- born, to the earth, and was born again, But all in Christ's work goes by opposites for us: he, the sinless one, was made to be sin, in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. He, the living one, the prince and author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of GOD, was born again, in order that we might be born again." A.T. JONES

"If Jesus Christ had never been born again, could you and I have ever been born again? No. But he was born again, from the world of righteousness into the world of sin; that we might be born again, from the world of sin into the world of righteousness. He was born again, and was made partaker of the human nature, that we might be born again, and so made partakers of the divine nature. He was born again, unto earth, unto sin, and unto man, that we might be born again unto heaven, unto righteousness, and unto God." Review and Herald, Aug. 1, 1899 (Lessons on Faith p. 154.)

God, is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
  • "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," Ephesians 1:3
  • "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, " 2 Corinthians 11:31
  • "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," 1 Peter 1:3
  • "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to MY Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your GodJohn 20:17
  • "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Luke 4:8
  • the head of Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3 
  • "And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's." (KJV) 1 Corinthians 3:23
  • Galatians 3:29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
  • 1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him (the God and Father of Jesus) who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 
  • Jesus said in John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."
  • 1 Thessalonians 2:13 "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

"Christ in the Old Testament"
Showing the Continuity between Old and New Testament

"And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight. Luke 24:31". Vanished from their SIGHT! He now has become invisible to us as the "third personality" of the Godhead as their (God and Jesus) "Holy" Spirit, the comforter. Jesus is walking right beside us today as He did with the disciples, only INVISIBLE.   The truth is that God dwells within us by His Spirit and that the Spirit of God is in the Lord Jesus Christ. Learn more here:  http://www.hullquist.com/Bible/bib-onegod-12b.htm#Person

We sincerely pray “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him” Ephesians 1:17

Old Testament: Psalm 2:7 The king says, “I will announce the LORD’s decree. He said to me: ‘You are my son! This very day I have become your father!

See Daniel 3:25:

Psalm 2:7 (KJV) "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Acts 13:33 he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "'You are my Son; today I have become your Father.'

Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?

"All things proceed ultimately from God, the Father; even Christ Himself proceeded and came forth from the Father: but it has pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and that He should be the direct, immediate Agent in every act of creation." CHR p 19 
E.J Waggoner 

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."

Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my son! Today I have fathered you”? And in another place he says, “I will be his father and he will be my son.”

Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify himself in becoming high priest, but the one who glorified him was God, who said to him, “You are my Son! Today I have fathered you,”

Acts 13:33 that this promise God has fulfilled to us, their children, by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second psalm, ‘You are my Son; today I have fathered you.’

All three of the citations in the New Testament draw on Psalm 2:7 for proof of the unique status of Christ and confirm rather than deny His eternal Sonship. Further evidence for eternal sonship is found in the fact that Christ is represented as already the Son of God when given to the world (John 3:16, 17; Gal 4:4).

John 3:16-17 (King James Version) 16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

Psalms 89:27 "Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth." 

Psalm 72:11 "All kings will bow down to him and all nations will serve him."


Jeremiah 31:9 "They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel's father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son."

The Divine Son of God, begotten of the Father in eternity
(Psalm 2:7; Proverbs 30:4; Daniel 3:25; Micah 5:2; Matthew 4:3, 6; 8:29; 14:33; 26:63; 27:40, 43; 27:54; Mark 1:1; 3:11; 15:39; Luke 1:35; 4:3, 9, 41; 8:28; 22:70; John 1:34, 49; 3:16-18; 5:25; 9:35; 10:36; 11:4; 11:27; 19:7; 20:31; Acts 8:37; 9:20; 2 Corinthians 1:19; Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 4:13; Hebrews 4:14; 1 John 3:8; 4:15; 5:5, 10, 12, 13, 20; Revelation 2:18)

If asked what we think of Jesus Christ, our reply is, we believe all that the Scriptures say of Him. If the testimony represents Him as being in glory with the Father before the world was (John 17:5), we believe it. If it is said that He was in the beginning with God, that He was God, that all things were made by Him and for Him, and that without Him was not anything made that was made (John 1:1-3), we believe it. If
the Scriptures say He is the Son of God (John 20:31), we believe it. If it is declared that the Father sent
His Son into the world (John 3:16), we believe He had a Son to send. If the testimony says He is the
beginning of the creation of God (Revelation 3:14), we believe it. If He is said to be the brightness of the
Father’s glory, and the express image of His person (Hebrews 1:3), we believe it.
If He is declared to be the only-begotten Son of God (John 1:14), then we believe that He was begotten. If
it is declared that He was brought forth before the creation of all worlds (Proverbs 8:22-30), we believe it
is so. If He is said to have inherited a better name by virtue of His birth (Hebrews 1:4), we believe it to be
true. If the testimony says JEHOVAH is the name of the Most High alone (Psalm 83:18), we believe it. If
it is further declared that Jesus is the Son of that Most High (Mark 5:7; Luke 8:28), then we believe the
Most High God is the Father. If it be said that the Father has placed His name in His Son (Exodus 23:21),
we fully believe it. When Christ declares that He came in His Father’s name (John 5:43), we believe it.
And when Jesus says, ‘I and my Father are one,’ (John 10:30) we believe it; and when He says, ‘My
Father is greater than I,’ (John 14:28) we believe that too; it is the word of the Son of God, and besides
this it is perfectly reasonable and patently obvious.

Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God. He was begotten of His Father “And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of
grace and truth.” John 1:14. He was brought forth (begotten) in the beginning, before any works of old.
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from
everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills
was I brought forth” Proverbs 8:22-25 (Note: That this passage is speaking of Christ will not be argued by
any honest Bible student. Please see 1Corinthians 1:24, 30 as to who is the wisdom of God. Also compare
Luke 11:49 with Matthew 23:34 to see that Christ is the Wisdom of God).

Christ is the literal Son of God, being begotten of the Father. He proceeded forth from God “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” John 8:42 “Jesus said, ‘If God were your father, you would love me, for God is the source of my being, and from him I come.” (The New English Bible)

Christ was the Son of God long before He came to earth “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or
descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath
established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
Proverbs 30:4. Christ is fully divine for His Father is the only true and Living God “And we believe and
are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.” John 6:69. “Therefore the Jews sought the
more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.” John 5:18. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
Colossians 2:9. It is a manifestation of the spirit of antichrist to deny the Father-Son relationship “Who is
a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”
1 John 2:22. It is Satan who constantly questions the divine son-ship of Christ “And when the tempter
came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. Then the
devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If
thou be the Son of God” Matthew 4:3, 5, 6

"The measure of the Holy Spirit we receive will be proportioned to the measure of our desire and the faith exercised for itand the use we shall make of the light and knowledge (perfecting testing messages) that shall be given to us."--RH May 5, 1896.

What is the latter rain? Who gets it? And when does it come? https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/the-latter-rain-what-is-it

There has been a shift in the SDA's Godhead doctrine over the years.

To the Surprise of some Adventists, the pioneers of the SDA Church, including their prophetess Ellen White, rejected these views and upheld a more Biblical view of the Godhead. They taught that Christ was the Son of GOD, that by some Divine Act Christ was brought forth from the Father before creation. And they taught that the Spirit proceeded from the Father, through the Son, making them both every-where present. This teaching was upheld until after the year 1900, which is seen by the following publications from the SDA Church during that time period. 

Ellen White clearly denied the Deomonic doctrine of role playing which is promoted by the Modern Adventist Church, when she wrote that Christ was the eternal Son of GOD, begotten before he came to earth: 

Ellen White: “But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if thy accepted him, were to be blessed."  {
Selected Messages Book 1, p. 247.2, RH April 5, 1906, par. 5}


Ellen White: “He gave His only begotten Son— not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”.  
ST May 30, 1895, par. 3 

Ellen White: "The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind."
 RH July 9, 1895, par. 13

Ellen White: "This wine of error is made up of false doctrines, such as the natural immortality of the soul, the eternal torment of the wicked, the denial of the pre-existence of Christ prior to His birth in Bethlehem, and advocating and exalting the first day of the week above God’s holy and sanctified day. These and kindred errors are presented to the world by the various churches, and thus the Scriptures are fulfilled that say, ‘For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.’ It is a wrath which is created by false doctrines, and when kings and presidents drink this wine of the wrath of her fornication, they are stirred with anger against those who will not come into harmony with the false and satanic heresies which exalt the false sabbath, and lead men to trample underfoot God’s memorial.

“Fallen angels upon earth form confederations with evil men. In this age antichrist will appear as the true Christ, and then the law of God will be fully made void in the nations of our world. Rebellion against God’s holy law will be fully ripe. But the true leader of all this rebellion is Satan clothed as an angel of light. Men will be deceived and will exalt him to the place of God, and deify him. But Omnipotence will interpose, and to the apostate churches that unite in the exaltation of Satan, the sentence will go forth, ‘Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.’”  {Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p. 61.3 Evangelism, p. 365.1 Testimony Treasures Volume 2, p. 362.3, RH September 12, 1893, par. 20Notebook Leaflets from the Elmshaven Library Vol. 1, p. 52.2} 

"That law of ten precepts of the greatest love that can be presented to man is the voice of God from heaven speaking to the soul in promise, "This do, and you will not come under the dominion and control of Satan." There is not a negative in that law, although it may appear thus. It is DO and Live." EGW God's Amazing Grace - Page 132

James 1:22 KJV "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." 
Philippians 4:13 (King James Version) "I can do ALL things through Christ which strengtheneth me."

Is God’s Law Still Binding?

No error accepted by the Christian world strikes more boldly against the authority of Heaven, none is more directly opposed to the dictates of reason, none is more pernicious in its results, than the modern doctrine, so rapidly gaining ground, that God’s law is no longer binding upon men. Every nation has its laws, which command respect and obedience; no government could exist without them; and can it be conceived that the Creator of the heavens and the earth has no law to govern the beings He has made? Suppose that prominent ministers were publicly to teach that the statutes which govern their land and protect the rights of its citizens were not obligatory—that they restricted the liberties of the people, and therefore ought not to be obeyed; how long would such men be tolerated in the pulpit? But is it a graver offense to disregard the laws of states and nations than to trample upon those divine precepts which are the foundation of all government?

The Great Controversy, pp. 582-584

JESUS WAS A MAN

 
If the doctrine of original sin is true, one of two things must be true: either Jesus was born a sinner, or he was not a man. Now, the Bible is clear on both points. Jesus was a man, and he was without sin. We know, therefore, that the doctrine of original sin cannot be true. It is a myth and a lie.

John denounced those who denied that Jesus came in the flesh as deceivers and antichrists. What does it mean to deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh? It means to deny that Jesus was a man, with a flesh and blood body like other men. Are there any people today who deny that Christ has come in the flesh? Yes, all those who believe in the doctrine of the sinfulness of human flesh must either believe that Christ, who came in human flesh, was born a sinner or they must deny that he came in the flesh.

It is a serious error to deny the deity of Christ. One cannot be a Christian and deny his deity. John taught that it is equally serious to deny the humanity of Christ:

Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come. I John 4:3

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. II John 7

John wrote his epistles, condemning those "who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" because of the teaching of the Gnostics. The Gnostics had a syncretic religion that combined Christianity with eastern religion, pagan philosophies, and the doctrines of mysticism and gnosis. They denied that Jesus Christ came in the flesh because of their philosophical belief that matter is evil. So according to their belief, if Jesus had come with a real human body, he would have been sinful. They denied the real incarnation of Christ, his bodily sufferings on the cross, and his bodily resurrection because of their view that man's material body and all material things are polluted and sinful. They denied that he came in the flesh to save him from sin. His fleshly manifestations were not real but only apparent.

It was from the teachings of gnosticism, with its pagan philosophical belief that all material things are essentially evil, that the doctrine of original sin was born. Augustine, the father of the doctrine of original sin, was for many years a disciple of the Manichaeans, which was a Gnostic sect. His doctrine of physical moral depravity and of inherited physical sinfulness had its roots in the teachings of gnosticism.

Why is all of this important? Because the Bible teaches that Jesus was a man and that he came in the flesh. However, the doctrine of original sin teaches that man, his flesh, and his bodily nature are corrupted and sinful because of Adam's transgression. It is impossible to believe the doctrine of man's inherited bodily sinfulness without either believing that Jesus was born a sinner or that he was not a man. For if the doctrine of original sin is true, either Jesus was born a sinner or he was not a man! Jesus was a man. He did come in the flesh, and he was without sin. Therefore the doctrine of original sin cannot be true. It is a myth and a lie.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. II John 7-11

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. I John 4:2-6

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. John 1:14

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. I John 3:6

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I John 3:9

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world. I John 5:4

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. I John 5:18


Galatians 4:4 (King James Version) "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

Old Testament: Psalm 2:12 (King James Version) "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Old Testament: Proverbs 30:4 (King James Version) "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"

Old Testament: Daniel 3:25 (King James Version) "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." Like it or not even a HEATHEN King recognized the Son of God before he was born of Mary in human flesh.

Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." The child being born is incarnation into humanity, he is the divine Son of God being given to humanity, FOREVER. Thr God and Father of Jesus: "
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." Hebrews 1:8-9 (KJV)

The Scriptural view of the Sonship of Christ, is that Christ was at some point in eternity the Son of God, and that He took upon Himself humanity through generation of the Holy Spirit. The human birth was not in order to become a Son of God, but because He is the Son of God. Principal Scriptures bearing on the doctrine in addition to those discussed are numerous (Matt 16:13-16; 26:63-64 ; Luke 2:11, 26, 38; John 1:49; 3:16, 18, 35, 36 ; 11:27 ; Acts 9:20; Heb 1:2, 8; 1 John 2:23; 5:9-12 ).

Preincarnate Son of God
The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. His word was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, January 9, 1879; also in Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 18, 19) 

Note: Make no mistake. Christ was equal. But let us recognize that “All power and authority in not just earth but heaven too, was given by his father”. He was ordained that he should be equal. This takes nothing away from Christ. Christ was in all things partaker of the Godhead. Some say for some reason that we by saying he was given authority demean the son because they believe he was co-equal and possessed all power and authority of his own self. We should let scriptures be the judge of that. 

The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) 

Note: He has been MADE equal by his father, with his father. When Christ speaks it is as though his father is speaking. Hebrews 1:3 says “by inheritance has he obtained a name” as she quoted above. Like the son will inherit his father’s name. So is Christ able to speak on behalf of the only true God the Father [John 17:3-5]. “He has declared his fathers name”[John 17:26].


You know Proverbs Chapter 8. Read it carefully. The SDA Church believes it is only an allegory, a symbolic description of how wisdom was born. If you read Isaiah 28:10 and 13, you will take here a little, there a little, a line here and  a line there. Ellen White clearly describes the birth of Jesus in Patriarchs and  Prophets, p. 34. Also compare Mica 5:2. Ellen White quotes verses 22-30 when she speaks of the birth of our Savior. He is "wisdom" according to 1 Cor. 1:30.

Why you think that Christ is wisdom? Well, be ready to quote these sentences found in Signs of the Times, Nov. 24, 1890:

In the Gospel the character of Christ is portrayed. As he descended step by step from His throne, His divinity was veiled in humanity; but in His miracles, His doctrines, His sufferings, His betrayal, His mockery, His trial, His death
by crucifixion, His grave among the rich, His resurrection, His 40 days upon earth, His ascension, His triumph, His priesthood, are inexhaustible treasures of wisdom, recorded for us by inspiration in the Word of God. The waters of life still flow in abundant streams of salvation. The mysteries of redemption, the blending of the divine and the human in Christ, His incarnation, sacrifice, and mediation will be sufficient to supply minds, hearts, tongues, and pens with themes for thought and expression for all time; and time will not be sufficient to exhaust the wonders of salvation, but through everlasting ages, Christ will be the science and the song of the redeemed soul....

Please notice the expression "inexhaustible treasures of wisdom" used in this long paragraph. Christ did not have to come to this earth to live and die. He could have remained safely in heaven and let mankind die and go to destruction. But it was His love and the Father's love for humanity that inspired Christ to come down and be born a human being willing to give His life for fallen man.

“The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest timesGod had promised to give the First-born of heaven toEllen White save the sinner.” {The Desire of Ages, p. 51}

“Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it readsAnd although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond.” {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 919} 1888

 “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God. "The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way," he declares, "before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had NOT made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth."” {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 7}

"And as to the Son of God, he would be excluded also, for he had God for his Father, and did, some point at the eternity of the past, have beginning of days. So that if we use Paul’s language in an absolute sense, it would be impossible to find but one being in the universe, and that is God the Father, who is without father, or mother, or descent, or beginning of days, or end of life" (J. N. Andrews,The Review & Herald, September 7, 1869). 

"The Scriptures declare that Christ is “the only begotten son of God.” He is begotten, not created" (not created as the angels or mankind) (E. J. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p. 21).

"And as to the Son of God, he would be excluded also, for he had God for his Father, and did, some point at the eternity of the past, have beginning of days. So that if we use Paul’s language in an absolute sense, it would be impossible to find but one being in the universe, and that is God the Father, who is without father, or mother, or descent, or beginning of days, or end of life" (J. N. Andrews,The Review & Herald, September 7, 1869). 

"The angels, therefore, are created beings, necessarily of a lower order than their Creator. Christ is the only being begotten of the Father" (James Edson White [Son of Ellen White], Past Present and Future, p. 52).

"He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, God’s first-born, to the earth, and wasAt Jones born again. But all in Christ’s work goes by opposites for us:  He, the sinless one, was made to be sin in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.  He, the living One, the Prince and Author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of God, was born again in order that we might be born again" (A. T. Jones,Christian Perfection, paragraph 53). (This is also found in Lessons on Faith, p. 154.) 

"He who was born in the form of God took the form of man" (A. T. Jones, The General Conference Bulletin, 1895, p. 449). 

"Christ is the only literal Son of God. “The only begotten of the Father.” John 1:14. He is God because he is the Son of God; not by virtue of His resurrection. If Christ is the only begotten of the Father, then we cannot be begotten of the Father in a literal sense. It can only be in a secondary sense of the word" (John Matteson, The Review & Herald, October 12, 1869). 

"The Scriptures nowhere speak of Christ as a created being, but on the contrary plainly state that he was begotten of the Father." (Uriah Smith, Daniel and Revelation, p. 430) 

"God alone is without beginning. At the earliest epoch when a beginning could be, - a period so remote that to finite minds it is essentially eternity, - appeared the Word. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1. This uncreated Word was the Being, who, in the fulness of time, was made flesh, and dwelt among us. His beginning was not like that of any other being in the universe. It is set forth in the mysterious expressions, “his [God’s] only begotten Son” (John 3:16; 1 John 4:9), “the only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14), and, “I proceeded forth and came from God.” John 8:42" (Uriah Smith, Looking Unto Jesus, p. 10). 

"The rainbow in the clouds is but a symbol of the rainbow which has encircled the throne from eternity. Back in the ages, which finite mind cannot fathom, the Father and Son were alone in the universe. Christ was the first begotten of the Father, and to Him Jehovah made known the divine plan of Creation" (Stephen Haskell, Story of the Seer of Patmos, pp. 93, 94). 

"Christ was the firstborn in heaven; He was likewise the firstborn of God upon earth, and heir to the Father’s throne. Christ, the firstborn, though the Son of God, was clothed in humanity, and was made perfect through suffering" (Stephen Haskell, Story of the Seer of Patmos p. 98). 

"The S. D. Adventists hold the divinity of Christ so nearly with the Trinitarians that we apprehend no trial here" (James White, The Review & Herald, October 12, 1876). Notice it is not the concept of the Trinity that Elder White saw agreement upon, but rather that Jesus was divine.

 "But if I am asked what I think of Jesus Christ, my reply is, I believe all that the Scriptures say of him. If the testimony represents him as being in glory with the Father before the world was, I believe it. If it is said that he was in the beginning with God, that he was God, that all things were made by him and for him, and that without him was not anything made that was made, I believe it. If the Scriptures say he is the Son of God, I believe it.  . … Children inherit the name of their father. The Son of God “hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than” the angels" (R. F. Cottrell, The Review & Herald, June 1 1869, emphasis in the original). 

"As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we canEJ Waggoner know about it in these words, “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.” Micah 5:2, margin.  There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning" (E. J. Waggoner—Christ and His Righteousness, pp. 21, 22). 

"In arguing the perfect equality of the Father and the Son, and the fact that Christ is in very nature God, we do NOT design to be understood as teaching that the Father was not before the Son. It should not be necessary to guard this point, lest some should think that the Son existed as soon as the Father; yet some go to that extreme, which adds nothing to the dignity of Christ, but rather detracts from the honor due him, since many throw the whole thing away rather than accept a theory so obviously out of harmony with the language of Scripture, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so “it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.” Col. 1:19 … While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christ’s personality had a beginning" (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889). 

"The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first. The Son was equal with the Father in that he had received all things from the Father" (James White, The Review & Herald, January 4, 1881).

Ellen White says, "God has also given my husband GREAT LIGHT, and he is to speak it out and write it out." {3T 85}

"God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His word, and illuminated the mind of my husband."--Testimonies, Volume 3, page 502.


"He has opened before me many channels of light, not only for my benefit, but for the benefit of His people at large. He has also given my husband great light upon Bible subjects, not for himself alone, but for others." Testimonies for the Church Volume Three, page 85.

 















Revelation 7:9-10

King James Version (KJV)

 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

 13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Notice, no third divine being is even MENTIONED!

 14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

"This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of "the man of sin" [Pope=Papacy organization] foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God. That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan's power, a monument of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will." (The Great Controversy p. 49, 50) 








Isaiah 14:13

King James Version (KJV)

 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Revelation 14:1 (KJV)  1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.





Father and Son ALONE are to be EXALTED


Not Biblical.








If Jesus was a genuine man as the Scriptures speak of Him and portray Him as being, then He must have had a human mind, will, spirit/soul, and emotions in addition to human flesh.

As the Cappadocian maxim says, "What He did not assume He can not heal." What this means is that Jesus can only redeem the aspects of humanity which He Himself took upon Himself in the incarnation. If Jesus did not have a human mind and spirit, then He cannot redeem mankind in their totality because we have a human mind and spirit. Jesus could only redeem that which He became. If He did not have a human spirit/mind, then He cannot redeem this aspect of man.

From a Biblical perspective, if Jesus was to be the last Adam (I Corinthians 15:45) His humanity had to be like Adam's in every respect (Romans 5:12-21; I Corinthians 15:21-22). Paul’s argument in Romans is that just as sin entered the world through one man, causing all men to die a spiritual death because of God’s condemnation on sin, righteousness was gained for mankind through the one righteous act of Jesus Christ. Jesus came to reverse the effects of Adam’s sin. Whereas Adam brought death and condemnation to man, Jesus brought life and righteousness.

In the Corinthians passage Paul made a similar argument, namely that since death was brought into the world by man, the resurrection from the dead also had to brought into the world by a man. All of those who are born from Adam will die both physically and spiritually; however, those who are in Christ, though they will physically die (except those that are still alive at the resurrection of the dead), they will be resurrected from the dead to spiritual life. The point of both passages is that since death and condemnation was brought on by man, spiritual life, righteousness, and the resurrection from the dead to life everlasting also had to come from a man. Whatever Adam was, the last Adam, Jesus Christ, had to be. Only a man like Adam could reverse what Adam did. If Adam had a human spirit/mind, then Jesus had to have a spirit/mind. This is especially telling since Adam succumbed to temptation with his mind/will. If Jesus was to objectively overcome temptation, He likewise had to resist it with a human mind. God cannot be tempted, but if the divine Spirit/mind replaced the human spirit/mind, then Jesus, as God, was tempted.

If Christ did not possess a human mind/will, then certain Biblical statements about Christ would be rendered meaningless. He could not be tempted, since God cannot be tempted (James 1:13), but we find that He was in fact tempted (Hebrews 4:15). Temptation occurs in the mind of man. If Jesus did not have a human spirit/mind, He could not have been tempted.

It is also said of Jesus that He "increased in wisdom" (Luke 2:52). If Jesus did not have a human mind, then we would have to confess that God was increasing in wisdom. This cannot be true because God is all-knowing and full of wisdom. He gives wisdom to man; He does not receive wisdom from man (Romans 16:27; I Timothy 1:17; James 1:5; Jude 1:25).

It is also said that Christ "learned obedience through what he suffered" (Hebrews 5:8). A moral improvement is not in view here, but Christ’s increasing capacity which He gained for the fulfillment of His office. What needs to be emphasized is that Jesus learned. There is nothing for God to learn. He knows all things. Only a human mind can learn.

Hebrews 2:11, 14-18 is very clear as the completeness and genuineness of Christ’s humanity. The author said, "For indeed he who makes holy and those being made holy all have the same origin, and so he is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters…. … Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in the same as well, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death. For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for Abraham’s descendants. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. For since he suffered and was tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted" (NET Bible). The author argues that Jesus shared in the same flesh and blood that all other humans possessed. He is of the same origin. He had to be made like all the rest of humanity in every respect if He was to be able to suffer and overcome temptation, in order to represent humanity as a priest, to help those who are tempted. The phrase in every respect most assuredly includes a human spirit/mind.











 

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