SDA Babylon or not?



1 Kings 18:18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim.

"Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein." Jeremiah 6:16. 

"If we turn from the testimony of God's Word, and accept false doctrines because our fathers taught them, we fall under the condemnation pronounced upon Babylon; we are drinking of the wine of her abominations." -Great Controversy88 536.3

"Every insult, every reproach, every false accusation made against them by those who have turned their ears away from the truth and are turned unto fables, will be charged upon the guilty ones as done to Christ in the person of his saints." -Review and Herald, April 14, 1896 par. 6

  • "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.  And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." -Revelation 18:1-5
  • 2 Corinthians 6:17, "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 

"When we see God dishonored, we ought not to remain quiet, but should do and say all that we can to lead others to see that the God of heaven is not to be thought of as a common man, but as the Infinite One, the One worthy of man's highest reverence. Let us present God's Word in its purity, and lift up the voice in warning against everything that would dishonor our heavenly Father" -Manuscript 165, 1902  {4BC 1164.6}
  • Ezekiel 33:11, "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"
  • Ezekiel 33:20, "Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways."

God's promises are always given on condition that His people remain faithful and obedient to His will, and when a person or a church refuses to remain true to God, they have no right to expect that God will continue to keep them from falling and preserve them as His chosen (see Upward Look, p 131).

    Just look at the Israelites if you doubt this.  They are no longer God's chosen people, because they apostatized from Him!  So the idea of "once a chosen church always a chosen church" is a falsehood.

    In fact, just two year before 1893 sister White warned the SDA church about this Babylon issue:

    "The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity.  Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and, as stated in Revelation, 'A cage of every unclean and hateful bird'....

     "And when men in the highest responsible positions make no difference between those who serve God and those who serve Him not, they evidence that their eyes are not single to the glory of God; therefore their whole body is full of darkness....

     "Let us not form unholy bonds of union with the friends of the world; for God has pronounced His curse upon all such unions....Already has the power of darkness placed its mold and superscription upon the work that should stand forth untainted, unpolluted, from Satan's cunning devices....Woe be unto him whose wisdom is not from above but from beneath!"  Testimonies to Ministers, p 265, 273, 277.

     So Sister White wrote that if the SDA church becomes married to the world forming a bond of unity, the church would become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.  Where is this phrase found in the Revelation?  Revelation 18:2 -- dealing with Babylon!  So Sister White wrote in 1891 that if the SDA church becomes united with the world, they would become Babylon!  How could just becoming united or married to the world make the church Babylon?

     Who is the church of Christ married to?  She is married to Christ.  Now if a married woman departs from her husband and unites herself with another, she becomes what?  A harlot.  So basically Sister White was warning that if the SDA church, who is married to Christ, departs from Him and unites herself with the world, that the SDA church would become the harlot of Babylon listed in Revelation 18.

     Now in 1893 the SDA church had not yet departed fully from Christ and united herself to the world, thus fulfilling the conditions necessary to convert them into the harlot of Babylon as God and Sister White warned in 1891.

     Sister White in her testimonies did not unconditionally promise that the SDA church would never become Babylon.  It was that in 1893, they had not yet united with the world, and that's why she stated "at the present time" do not call the church Babylon.  And just so that none of our people would become confused over this vital issue, she writes just two years later in 1895:

     "The world must not be introduced into the church and married to the church.  Through union with the world the church will become corrupt, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'  The customs of the world must not have a place; for they will be open doors through which the prince of darkness will find access, and the line of demarcation will become indistinguishable between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not....Satanic forces are continually at work through the world, and it is Satan's object to bring the church and the world into such close fellowship that their aims, their spirit, their principles, shall harmonize..."  Review and Herald, February 26, 1895 (vol 3, p 233, col 2).


     So again she emphasizes that if the SDA church departs from Christ and marries herself to the world, that she would become an harlot of Babylon as found in Revelation 18.

     Thus the big question that needs to be asked is; Has the SDA church departed fully from Christ her husband, and united herself to the world committing harlotry?  Did they follow Satan's plan to harmonize together?  Sadly, yes.

     "The line of demarcation between worldlings and many professed Christians is almost indistinguishable.  Many who once were earnest Adventists are conforming to the world--to its practices, its customs, its selfishness.  Instead of leading the world to render obedience to God's law, the church is uniting more and more closely with the world in transgression.  Daily the church is becoming converted to the world."  Testimonies, vol 8, p 118-19  (see also Christ's Object Lessons, p 315-16).


     "The central power of the earth is a demon.  His throne is in the midst of the world, where should have been seen the throne of God.  He has been patronized by the church, for the church has been conformed to the world, and is living in transgression of the Holy Law of God."  This Day With God, p 28 (1900).

     "The church has taken the world into her fellowship, and has given her affections to the enemies of holiness.  The church and the world are standing on the same ground in transgression of the law of God.  The church prefers to assimilate to the world rather than separate from its customs and vanities."  Manuscript 44, 1900  (Last Day Events from the Letters and Manuscripts of E.G. White, p 55).

     Sadly the SDA church departed from Christ and united herself to the world just like the Jewish church did.  Now listen carefully to what Sister White warned about this.

     "By choosing the world and its attractions, they divorce themselves from God."  Review and Herald, July 13, 1897 (vol 3, p 481, col 1).


     The corporate body of Adventism is no longer a separate and peculiar people to God.  The line of demarcation is indistinct.  The church has chosen to conform herself, to be converted, and in harmony with Satan and the world.  This woman has left Christ--her husband and her first love, and has willingly given her affections to Satan.  The church has transgressed the Holy Law of God by becoming a harlot.

     Since the SDA church has united herself to the world, she has fulfilled the condition necessary to become a cage of every unclean and hateful bird or Babylon.  As this is true, then why didn't we hear the cry raised in 1900 that the SDA church had become Babylon?  Because no one wanted to raise that cry in their own fallible human wisdom and erring human judgment as occurred in 1893 with Stanton and others.  God Himself would have to first proclaim that the SDA church had become an harlot of Babylon, and then all of God's true people could safely follow in God's footsteps and proclaim the same, and thus they would have a "thus saith the Lord" to back them up.


     Some may have a problem with calling the church Babylon, but we are told in Testimonies, vol 4, p 615 that the friend of God approves what God approves and condemns what He condemns.  All God's true people will voice the words of God.  Again are we willing to be the friend of God, condemning what He condemns and cherishing what He cherishes?  We all need to closely examine our hearts.

     So the question remains, did the all knowing and all wise God who never errs in judgment, declare the SDA church to be the harlot?  Yes!


     At the 1901 General Conference Session, God tried to remove the kingly controlling power that the SDA church had, since the 1890's, been implementing and using to bind and control the will and consciences of our people.  The church was repeating the same history as did the Jewish church in keeping their people under slavery to men.  Under this type of bondage no one can obtain salvation (see Desire of Ages, p 141).

     Just two days before Sister White was to arrive at the 1901 GC session, she sent this message to the GC leaders:

     "God desires that these committees, which have handled these matters so long, shall be discharged from their rulers and have a chance for their lives...the Lord wants His spirit to enter.  He wants His Holy Spirit to be King....This present standing must come to an end...finally it will come to nothing."  Message to General Conference, April 1, 1901.


     Then she arrived at the session two days later and declared:

     "I feel a special interest in the movements and decisions that shall be made at this conference regarding the things that should have been done years ago...

     "God gave them (GC leadership) clear light as to what they should do and what they should not do, but they departed from the light...

     "That these men should stand in a sacred place to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be, that is past....God wants them to be removed....

     "God has not put any kingly power in our ranks to control..."  General Conference Bulletin, April 3, 1901, p 23-26.


     The kingly power of the SDA church did assent to step down, and Sister White was elated.  But did the SDA church give up their authority and control over our people?  Did they really allow God's Holy Spirit to be King and to recreate our people in the image of God?  Or did the church leadership continue to exercise their papal supremacy over our people, keeping them under slavery and never to fully reflect the image of God and be saved while under such influence?  Was Sister White's excitement short lived?

     "What a wonderful work could have been done for the vast company gathered in Battle Creek at the general conference of 1901, if the leaders of our work had taken themselves in hand.  But the work that all heaven was waiting to do as soon as men prepared the way was not done; for the leaders closed and bolted the door against the Spirit's entrance....The doors were barred against the Heavenly Current that would have swept away all evil...They built themselves up in wrong doing, and said to the Spirit of God, 'Go thy way for this time; when I have a more convenient season, I will call for thee.'"  Letter 123, August 23, 1902 (Battle Creek Letters, p 55-56).


     "The results of the last general conference (1901) has been the greatest, the most terrible sorrow of my life, no change was made....Men did not receive the testimonies of the Spirit of God...

     "It is a perilous thing to reject the light that God sends.  To Chorazin and Bethsaida heaven's richest blessings had been freely offered.  Day after day the Prince of Life had gone in and out among them....but they refused the heavenly gift, and of them the Saviour said; 'Woe unto thee, Chorazin!  Woe unto thee, Bethsaida, for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.  But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.'

     "So today upon those who have had light and evidence, but who have refused to heed the Lord's warnings and entreaties, heaven's woe is pronounced.

     "The Lord bore long with the perversity of Israel, but the time came when the people passed the boundaries..."  Manuscript Releases, vol 13, p 122-23 (Letter 17, January 14, 1903).


     God had tried to reach the SDA church and to lead her to repent and come back to Him, letting Him be her Husband and King once again, instead of Satan being her husband and king.  But the leaders refused, and pushed God's Spirit out of the church, closing, bolting and barring the door against Him so that He could not get back in.

     With God's presence completely outside of the SDA church structure, Satan took control.  And in the 1903 GC session, all pretense of following God were done away with and in the eyes of the entire church, the leaders voted to go directly against God, to go directly against their prophet and to bring back their kingly papal power of control over our people, keeping them blind and in bondage to a corrupt church just like the Jews.

     Just two weeks after the SDA church decided to apostatize and depart completely from Christ, her first Husband, God Himself, who never errs, declared the SDA church to be the harlot of Babylon.

     "Why is there so dim a perception of the true spiritual condition of the church?  Has not blindness fallen upon the watchmen standing on the walls of Zion?...Who can truthfully say, 'Our gold is tried in the fire; our garments are unspotted by the world'?  I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness.  Stripping them off, He laid bare the defilement beneath.  Then He (Christ) said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character?  'How is the faithful city become an harlot!  My Father's house is made a house of merchandise, a place whence the divine presence and glory have departed!'"  Testimonies, vol 8, p 248-50 (April 21, 1903).


     God Himself who never errs, has through His own unfailing wisdom and infallible judgment declared the SDA church to be a harlot of Babylon, and that His divine presence and glory had departed from the SDA church and organization.  God is no where to be found in the SDA churches.

     The SDA church has left the side of Christ and has chosen to go to bed with Satan, Christ's rival and adversary.  They have chosen Satan as their new husband and king in the place of God (see Testimonies to Ministers, p 396).  And they are continuing to lead our precious brothers and sisters down to hell while all the time saying: "The church can never become Babylon!  The church can never fall!  It will go through to the sea of glass as a corporate body, so do not separate from her or you will be lost!"

    So the question is: Will you believe these lies spoken by the corrupt church leadership in the hopes of keeping you bound to an apostate church which is heading for destruction?  Or will you follow Christ out of the church realizing that He is nowhere to be found in her midst, but is waiting outside the gate and loudly calling all of His true followers to come and join Him! (see Hebrews 13:12-13; Isaiah 52:11; Revelation 18:4).  The choice is yours to make.

The passages listed on this page are from your God. Do you really see His Word saying you should stay in an apostate church? Do these passages really contradict His end time Prophet?

  • Proverbs 13:20, "He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed."
  • Jeremiah 17:5, "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."
  • Amos 3:3, "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"
  • 1 Corinthians 15:33, "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners."
  • 2 Corinthians 6:14, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"
  • 2 Corinthians 6:17, "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"
  • 2 Thessalonians 3:14, "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed."
  • James 4:4, "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."
  • 1 Peter 2:9, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"
  • Revelation 18:4-5, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."
  • John 11:35, "Jesus wept."

Must He also say "please?"

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WHO  BELIEVES  IN  THE  TRINITY  DOCTRINE?

     Who believes in the doctrine of the Trinity of only one God manifested in three People–or three Beings sharing the same essence or substance and making up just one God?

The Roman Catholic Church

     “In God there are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, equal in all perfections.” The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p 31 by Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., Imprimatur - September 16, 1957.

     In fact, the Trinity doctrine "is the central doctrine of Catholic faith.  Upon it are based all the other teachings of the Church."  Handbook For Today's Catholics, p 12.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church

     "(Fundamental Belief) 2. The Trinity.
     "There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal persons."  1986 SDA Church Manual, chapter 2, p 23 (see also Seventh-day Adventists Believe...27 Fundamental Beliefs, p 16, 22).


The World Council of Churches

     "The World Council of Churches is a fellowship of churches which confess the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Saviour according to the Scriptures and therefore seek to fulfill together their common calling to the glory of one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit." So much in Common, (co-authored by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the World Council of Churches), p 33.

     The World Council of Churches is made up of various Councils or Fellowships of Churches from around the world who have chosen to join together in this great union.  But before any church can seek admittance in the World Council of Churches it must first embrace the Trinity doctrine.  So all churches which are connected with the World Council of Churches have embraced this Trinity doctrine.  And what are the names of some of these churches?  Those churches which have connection with the World Council of Churches include, but are not limited to, the following: Anglican; Armenian; Assemblies of God; Baptist; Brethren; Christian; Church of God; Disciples; Episcopal; Evangelical Congregational; Evangelical Reformed; Free Evangelical; Free Methodist; Friends (Quakers); Holiness; Independent Baptist; Independent Pentecostal; Lutheran; Lutheran Evangelical; Mennonite; Methodist; Moravian; Nazarene; Old Catholic; Orthodox (Eastern, Oriental); Presbyterian; Protestant Episcopal; Reformed; Roman Catholic; Salvation Army; Seventh-day Adventist; Seventh-day Baptist; Southern Baptist; United Church of Christ; United Methodist; United Missionary; United Presbyterian; Wesleyan Methodist.

     You can see that the vast majority of Christendom are involved in believing this Trinity doctrine.  And the Trinity doctrine is the belief that there is only one God which is shared between three Persons.  Also remember that the basis for this Trinity belief is not founded in the Bible, but is founded in the teachings of Spiritualism and the Occult!  So if you want to be a believer in spiritualistic and occultic doctrine, then continue to believe that there is only one God who is made up of three Persons.
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