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Dear Brother ***,

Sorry for the delay in responding to you. I have other pressing obligations at the moment, but you are in my thoughts and prayers. I will respond soon! :) Thank you for your patience. We should come and reason together. Search the scriptures daily to see if these things are so. Be a Berean!

To answer your question about my being a Jehovah Witnesses... I am not a JW. 

I do not believe Christ was created, but rather BEGOTTEN of His Father, daily he was His Father's delight prior to this earth being created by the Son of God.

Consider this: JW's are a splinter off of the ORIGINAL doctrines of the SDA movement, just as the modern 501c3 church (the majority today have forsaken the original teachings of Adventism -sadly, the non-studying/sleepy Laodicean foolish virgins don't even know what those teachings WERE!) is a splinter off of the original teachings of the SDA movement.

SDA's adopted a flavor or version of the trinity....they got rid of this error in their original "VIRGIN BAND" teachings, but later it came back in - in a worse form - as Tritheism [Tritheism is the teaching that the Godhead is really three separate beings forming three separate gods.]...starting with Dr. Kellogg, who taught Pantheism [] and later started teaching that Christ was the eternal god, Ellen White rebuked him for it...SDA's today have lost their first love of the original platform, the eternal foundation of truth, their beams in their ship are rotten because they have taken their eyes off of Jesus and focused on Adventist Pope's, general conference leaders. 

JW's did not take the trinity error doctrine back, ie "that Jesus Christ is the very and eternal God". {James White, Aug 5, 1852, Review and Herald – Vol. 3 No. 7 P 52 Par 42}

They (JW's) did, however, forsake the 7th day Sabbath teaching and today teach many other errors. Mixing truth and error. The modern 501c3 SDA's also have added many errors into their teachings. Both groups have, as Ellen White predicted, stepped off the platform of eternal truth, and have fallen into the dark and wicked world below. God does have a true church - it is those who keep the faith, the original teachings of the SDA movement:

"The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in personIt is thus that God and Christ are one" 8T, p. 269.

"Christ is one with the father, but christ and God are two distinct personages." 5 BC 1148.2. The Upward Look, page 153.
 
"And truly our fellowship is with the father, and with his son Jesus Christ." All through the scriptures, the father and the son are spoken of as two distinct personages. You will hear men endeavoring to make the son of God a nonentity. He and the father are one, but they are two personages. Wrong sentiments regarding this are coming in, and we shall all have to meet them.The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, July 13, 1905, paragraph 3.

"The Son of God shared the Father's throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both" Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 36.2 (Ellen G. White). (Notice only TWO beings are mentioned here).

Even more plainly Ellen White warns, "The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted." {The Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898 par.2})

"Martin Luther, and other reformers, arose in the strength of God, and with the Word and Spirit, made mighty strides in the Reformation. The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday-keeping, the church would now be free from her unscriptural errors." (James White, February 7, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 19, page 148, par. 26).

“The third angel's message was, and still is, a WARNING to the saints to "hold fast," and not go back, and "receive" the marks (of the beast=TRINITY, SUNDAY WORSHIP) which the virgin band got rid of, during the second angel's cry” A Word to the "Little Flock" JAMES WHITE, Topsham, Maine April 21, 1847.

Again, I am not a JW, but they do have some truth mixed in with error...THEY knew the original SDA movement did not believe in the Trinity, and they STILL do not believe in the Trinity, ie, that Jesus Christ is Himself his own Father, the very and eternal God.

THE THINGS SDA PIONEERS GOT RID OF - or reformed on - were SUNDAY worship and false god worship...the Trinity teaching...just because someone SAYS they do not like the "word" trinity, does not mean they don't teach a trinity "concept" and have that "IDEA" expressed in other words. Read the two quotes above again. The Bible plainly states that are two beings that are God, not three. There is God the Father, a God who truly had a literal son, just like you, Brother ***, if you have a son, have a son. Your son is just like you. Like Father, like son. Say you are working on growing and canning green beans for winter consumption. You both are ONE in your purpose and goals of planting a garden, hoeing and watering the plants, picking the green beans and preserving them for winter use. You are ONE in your goals and plans. This is the relationship of God and His Son. They are one in planning the salvation of mankind - to the completion. God has put everything in the Universe under the authority of Christ. After this great plan is  accomplished at great cost to themselves, Christ will give His authority back to His Father and God. Christ is the Son of God, and His Father is His God and FATHER. They are TWO distinct beings. 

We are made in the image of God, right? IS your son the same age as you? Or is he younger? OF course the Son of God is younger! Satan ALWAYS trys to put doubt in peoples minds about the origin of Christ, His being brought forth before this world began! That Christ and God are TWO BEINGS, but ONE IN PURPOSE AND PLANS! JUST like you and your son are TWO BEINGS, yet one in plans and purpose! You don't think your son always existed do you? 

Psalm 119:160 "The beginning of thy word is truth, (the beginning (origin) of Christ is truth). Christ came to GIVE NOT HIS OWN WORDS BUT THE WORDS OF HIS FATHER AND GOD TO MANKIND. HIS PROMISES SO WE COULD CLAIM THEM AS OUR OWN AND BECOME A PARTAKER OF GOD'S CHARACTER TOO! 2 Peter 1:4.

EGW: "But although Christ's glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man...The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p.1129.


“Let the aged men who were pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals.”—Manuscript 62, 1905, cited in “The Integrity of the Sanctuary Message.”

“We 
are to REPEAT THE WORDS of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our workThe word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced.”—Review and Herald, May 25, 1905.


R.F. COTTRELL, ANOTHER KEEN, NOBEL, AND TRUE SDA PIONEER SAYS:

"It may be objected, If the Father and the Son are two distinct beings, do you not, in worshipping the Son and calling him God, break the first commandment of the decalogue? "No; it is the Father's will 'That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.' We cannot break the commandment and dishonor God by obeying him. The Fathers says of the Son, 'Let all the angels of God worship him.' Should angels refuse to worship the Son, they would rebel against the Father. Children inherit the name of their Father. The Son of God 'hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than' the angels. That name is the name of his Father. The Father says to the Son, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever.' Heb.1. The Son is called 'The mighty God.' Isa. 9:6. And when he comes again to earth his waiting people will exclaim, 'This is our God.' Isa. 25:9. It is the will of the Father that we should thus honor the Son. In doing so we render supreme honor to the Father. If we dishonor the Son, we dishonor the Father; for he requires us to honor his son. "But though the Son is called God yet there is a 'God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ' 1Pet. 1:3. Though the Father says to the Son, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever,' yet, that throne is given him of his Father; and because he loved righteousness and hated iniquity, he further says, 'Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee.' Heb. 1:9. 'God hath made that same Jesus both Lord and Christ.' Acts. 2:36. The Son is 'the everlasting Father,' not of himself, nor of his Father, but of his children. His language is, 'I and the children which God hath given me.' Heb. 2:13." R.F. COTTRELL, Review and Herald, June 1, 1869. 



ANOTHER KEEN, NOBEL, AND TRUE SDA PIONEER JOSEPH BATES SAYS:

"My parents were members of long standing in the Congregational church, with all of their converted children thus far, and anxiously hoped that we would also unite with them. But they embraced some points of faith which I could not understand. I will name two only: their mode of baptism, and doctrine of the Trinity. 

My father, who had been a deacon of long standing with them, labored to convince me that they were right in points of doctrine...I said to my father, 'If you can convince me that we are one in this sense, that you are my father, and I your son; and also that I am your father, and you my son, then I can believe in the Trinity.'...In a few days I was immersed and joined the Christian church." The Autobiography of Elder Joseph Bates, 1868, pp. 204, 205.  

So I say to you, Brother ***, in a humble, kind way, carefully consider this:

'If you can convince me that we are one in this sense, that you are my father, and I your son; and also that I am your father, and you my son, then I can believe in the Trinity.' (Joseph Bates) i.e. that "that Jesus Christ is the very and eternal God". {James White, Aug 5, 1852, Review and Herald – Vol. 3 No. 7 P 52 Par 42}

However, having said that, did you know JW's were originally Adventists? That they are a splinter off of the pioneer Adventist beliefs? Keep in mind the original pioneers, Ellen White included gave up the trinity belief, ie that Jesus Himself is the eternal God? 

“To assert that the sayings of the Son and his apostles are the commandments of the Father, is as wide from the truth as the old trinitarian absurdity that Jesus Christ is the very and eternal God.” {James White, Aug 5, 1852, Review and Herald – Vol. 3 No. 7 P 52 Par 42}

The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God. (James White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star

You can read more about James White here.

Remember? Ellen White said that James White was similar in some respects to a modern Moses to the Adventist people? Moses is a type of Christ...so that would make James White a type of Christ to God's people today, in these last days. See the quotes here about James White being a type of modern Moses to us, to keep us standing on the platform of eternal truth! That he was KEEN, NOBEL, and TRUE?

I was wondering, do you have any children? I have four girls. Today, my eldest daughter is returning home with her new husband. 

Warm regards,

Cindy
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