Jesus begotten of God continued



Good Morning all,  could not help but share this.  For it is the heart of our message as a people.  Though it is a unpopular message it will sound.  This message has changed my life and I want to share it with you.  Once you get just a glimpse you will NOT be the same again.  For your very SOUL will be impressed with the image of HIM who is invisible.

 

May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ send His Holy Spirit into YOUR hearts that you maybe able to comprehend our RICH inheritance IN CHRIST.

 In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import--the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention” . 9T 19

 
And what is the central theme of the Three Angel’s messages?
 
“Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message, and I have answered, "It is the third angel's message, in verity."-- The Review and
Herald, April 1, 1890.
 
Who delivered this message and what was it about?
 
“The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through Elders Waggoner and Jones . This message was to bring more prominently before the world the uplifted Saviour, the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. It presented justification through faith in the Surety; it invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ, which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God.  Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed to have their eyes directed to His divine person, His merits, and His changeless love for the human family. All power is given into His hands, that He may dispense rich gifts unto men, imparting the priceless gift of His own righteousness to the helpless human agentThis is the message that God commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel's message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice, and attended with the outpouring of His Spirit in a large measure.” TM 91,92
 
How is the subject of the only Begotten Son related to the message of justification through
faith?
 
Notice the introduction to E.J Waggoner’s book Christ and His Righteousness
 
“In the first verse of the third chapter of Hebrews we have an exhortation which comprehends all
the injunctions given to the Christian. It is this: "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the
heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus." To do
this as the Bible enjoins, to consider Christ continually and intelligently, just as He is, will
transform one into a perfect Christian, for "by beholding we become changed.”
Christ and His Righteousness Page 5.
 
A.T Jones brings this principle of beholding Christ into sharper focus for us. The opening
chapter of his book Consecrated Way to Christian Perfection begins with calling us to examine
the “Such” in Paul’s statement “Such a High Priest” Heb 8:1 Notice what he says:
 
“The condescension of Christ, the position of Christ, and the nature of Christ as He was in the
flesh in the world are given in the second chapter of Hebrews more fully than in any other one
place in the Scriptures. But this is in the second chapter. The first chapter precedes it.Therefore
the truth and the thought presented in the first chapter are essentially precedent to the second
chapter. The first chapter must be fully understood in order to be able to follow the thought and
understand the truth in the second chapter. In the first chapter of Hebrews, the exaltation,
the position, and the nature of Christ as He was in heaven before He came to the world
are more fully given than in any other single portion of the Scriptures. Therefore it is
certain that an understanding of the position and nature of Christ as He was in heaven is
essential to a proper understanding of His position and nature as He was on earth
.”  Consecrated Way to Christian Perfection Page 11,12
 
Essentially what Jones and Waggoner are telling us is that when we behold Christ “Just as He is” revealed in Scripture and especially in Hebrews one and two, we will be transformed into the same image and receive that righteousness that will produce a keeping of all the commandments in the life.  Therefore if we would know the Son of God “Just as He is,” if we would know His true position and nature as He was in Heaven then it follows that it is essential to know who exactly the Son of God is. 

     We must know whether He is begotten or unbegotten; we must know whether He is a Son by Inheritance or a Son by title only. If we would know Jesus “Just as He is” then it is vital to know the truth about the Son of God. If we do not know then we will not be able to be transformed into the likeness of Christ and worse still if we assume an incorrect view we will surely be transformed into the image of Satan, the father of all false Christs and idols of the imagination.
 
Therefore a correct knowledge of the Son of God is the very heart of understanding righteousness by faith. How is this the case? How do we make that connection? Consider this passage:
 
Php 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
 
The Bible clearly tells us that Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God. The vital question we must ask here is upon what basis did Christ think it was not robbery to be equal with God? Where did His confidence rest? Let A.T Jones lay the matter out:
 
“What, then, is the thought concerning Christ in the first chapter of Hebrews?
First of all there is introduced "God"--God the Father--as the speaker to men, who "in time past
spake unto the fathers by the prophets" and who "hath in these last days spoken unto us by His
Son."
 
Thus is introduced Christ the Son of God. Then of Him and the Father it is written: "Whom He
[the Father] hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He [the Father] made the worlds."
Thus, as preliminary to His introduction and our consideration of Him as High Priest, Christ the
Son of God is introduced as being with God as Creator and as being the active, vivifying Word
in the creation--"by whom also He [God] made the worlds."
 
Next, of the Son of God Himself we read: "Who being the brightness of His [God's] glory, and
the express image of His [God's] person ["the very impress of His substance," margin R.V.], and
upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat
down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."
 
This tells us that in heaven the nature of Christ was the nature of God, that He in His person, in
His substance, is the very impress, the very character, of the substance of God. That is to say
that in heaven as He was before He came to the world the nature of Christ was in very
substance the nature of God.
 
Therefore it is further written of Him that He was "made so much better than the angels, as He
hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." This more excellent name is
the name "God," which, in the eighth verse, is given by the Father to the Son: "Unto the
Son He [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever."
Thus, He is "so much" better than the angels as God is better than the angels. And it is because
of this that He has that more excellent name --the name expressing only what He is in His very
nature. And this name "He hath by inheritance." It is not a name that was bestowed but a name
that is inherited.
 
Now it lies in the nature of things, as an everlasting truth, that the only name any person
can possibly inherit is his father's name. This name, then, of Christ's, which is more
excellent than that of the angels, is the name of His Father, and His Father's name is
God. The Son's name, therefore, which He has by inheritanceis God.”  Consecrated Way
to Christian Perfection Page 13,14
 
Hebrews chapter one explained by A.T Jones leaves us in absolutely no doubt about why Christ did not think it was robbery to be equal with God. Yet more than this it also leaves us in no doubt as to the basis of why Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God. The power, the position, the standing of Christ was all given to Him by the Father and the Son holds all these things by Faith in His Father’s Word. When the Father said to the Son:
 
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I
begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the
angels of God worship him.

And again Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne (our mind), O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of
righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
The Son accepted the words of the Father by faith. How So? To receive an inheritance requires an act of faith towards the giver. When the Father appointed Christ to be heir of all things, the Son accepted this appointment by faith.  Again why did Christ accept these things by faith ? We answer because they were given to Him by the Father.
 
Now we come to the crux of the issue of why Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God and to be heir of all things, to hold the title of God and to be worshipped by all the angels? 

His thinking was an act of faith. It was the faith that lives by every Word of God. This is the eternal faith of Jesus – a faith that allowed Him to believe what the Father said of Him which was to consider Himself equal with God and to be worshipped as God and to possess all the fullness of the Father’s Divinity. Jesus our mighty Prince chose by faith to accept all that the Father had said and did for Him. As Jesus sits upon the throne of the universe we read of Him:
 
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne (our minds), O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of
righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
And how did Christ possess this sceptre of righteousness? It was by faith in the Father’s Word to Him. The Son of God is righteous by faith . The Son of God is the heart and soul, the kernel, the cornerstone of righteousness by faith because this is exactly how He has lived, does live and will live forever and ever. This is why He is the everlasting father of all those who live by the faith of Jesus in the Word of the Father.  

As we Behold the Son in this clear light we are transformed into the image of His faith. His faith in His Father’s Word dwells in us by the Spirit so we also believe the Father’s Word concerning us. As we behold Christ “just as He is” we are transformed into the same image even as by the glory of the Lord.  

In contrast to this picture of Jesus as holding the sceptre of righteousness by faith, we see another Christ, a Barabbas who enthrones himself in all the creeds of Christendom. Why does this robber not think it robbery to be equal with God? In what does this thief and murderer trust that causes him not to think it is robbery? Why he looks to himself and he points to his own power, his own knowledge, his own eternal age. He does not hold these things by faith but by his own eternal glory. He does not rest upon the Father’s Word but rather upon himself. 

When called upon to declare his confidence, he arises and reveals His pedigree of godhood not by faith but in self-confidence. He sits in the temple of God proclaiming himself God, for he coveted to ascend into the sides of the north and be like the Most High . . . . He is the perfect image of self-confidence and self-possession. But still further to this, this cunning deceiver places upon himself the mask of a dependent Jesus during his incarnation. He masks his self-confidence with a trusting submissive son. He blends the true and the false in order that the might hide his true self-confidence from visibility. He projects an image of trusting submission from his eternal resources of self-confidence. We ask again what is the result of beholding this self-confident second person of the Trinity? Why self-confidence of course! By beholding we are changed into the same image. If we perceive Jesus to be God from his own resources then we will become man from our own resources. If we believe that Jesus is God by faith in the Father’s Word then we will become men of faith in the Father’s Word formed in the same image.
 
Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false
prophets are gone out into the world. Many shall come in the name of Christ claiming to be Him
and they will yet deceive many.
 
We are righteous by faith when we behold Jesus just as He is – Righteousness by faith.
 
Thought it not Robbery
Written by A. Ebens
Friday, 07 December 2012 06:15

So few have looked to the Life of Christ and by faith learned to appropriate (take/accept) it as their own!

Christ's victories are all ours, BY FAITH. Victory to overcome appetite, pride of life, lust of the flesh, all sinful things! By faith, positive anticipation, trust in God & His Son, we can claim Christ's victories for our very own victories! 

Christ's own sinless life can be OURS by FAITH!

He did it! It is OURS, NOW, by Faith! Ask God in the name of His Son to give you His Son's sinless life - make HIS victories our OWN victories! 

It is like He won the prize, now we get to use the prize as our very own, just by believing, by FAITH.  

2 Corinthians 5:21 "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

1 Kings 2:4
and that the LORD may keep his promise to me: 'If your descendants watch how they live, and if they walk faithfully before me with all their heart and soul, you will never fail to have a successor on the throne of Israel.'

1 Kings 8:25
"Now LORD, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, 'You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me faithfully as you have done.'

2 Chronicles 6:16
"Now, LORD, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, 'You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me according to my law, as you have done.'

Psalm 17:4
Though people tried to bribe me, I have kept myself from the ways of the violent through what your lips have commanded.

Psalm 39:1
For the director of music. For Jeduthun. A psalm of David. I said, "I will watch my ways and keep my tongue from sin; I will put a muzzle on my mouth while in the presence of the wicked."

 

What is the all absorbing message that is to be proclaimed to the world in these last days?

 

“In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import--the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention” . 9T 19 

 

 

 

And what is the central theme of the Three Angel’s messages?

 

“Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message, and I have answered, "It is the third angel's message, in verity."-- The Review and

Herald, April 1, 1890.

 

Who delivered this message and what was it about?

 

“The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through Elders Waggoner and Jones . This message was to bring more prominently before the world the uplifted Saviour, the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. It presented justification through faith in the Surety; it invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ, which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God.  Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed to have their eyes directed to His divine person, His merits, and His changeless love for the human family. All power is given into His hands, that He may dispense rich gifts unto men, imparting the priceless gift of His own righteousness to the helpless human agentThis is the message that God commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel's message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice, and attended with the outpouring of His Spirit in a large measure.” TM 91,92

 

How is the subject of the only Begotten Son related to the message of justification through

faith?

 

Notice the introduction to E.J Waggoner’s book Christ and His Righteousness

 

“In the first verse of the third chapter of Hebrews we have an exhortation which comprehends all

the injunctions given to the Christian. It is this: "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the

heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus." To do

this as the Bible enjoins, to consider Christ continually and intelligently, just as He is, will

transform one into a perfect Christian, for "by beholding we become changed.”

Christ and His Righteousness Page 5.

 

A.T Jones brings this principle of beholding Christ into sharper focus for us. The opening

chapter of his book Consecrated Way to Christian Perfection begins with calling us to examine

the “Such” in Paul’s statement “Such a High Priest” Heb 8:1 Notice what he says:

 

“The condescension of Christ, the position of Christ, and the nature of Christ as He was in the

flesh in the world are given in the second chapter of Hebrews more fully than in any other one

place in the Scriptures. But this is in the second chapter. The first chapter precedes it.Therefore

the truth and the thought presented in the first chapter are essentially precedent to the second

chapter. The first chapter must be fully understood in order to be able to follow the thought and

understand the truth in the second chapter. In the first chapter of Hebrews, the exaltation,

the position, and the nature of Christ as He was in heaven before He came to the world

are more fully given than in any other single portion of the Scriptures. Therefore it is

certain that an understanding of the position and nature of Christ as He was in heaven is

essential to a proper understanding of His position and nature as He was on earth

.”  Consecrated Way to Christian Perfection Page 11,12

 

Essentially what Jones and Waggoner are telling us is that when we behold Christ “Just as He is” revealed in Scripture and especially in Hebrews one and two, we will be transformed into the same image and receive that righteousness that will produce a keeping of all the commandments in the life.  Therefore if we would know the Son of God “Just as He is,” if we would know His true position and nature as He was in Heaven then it follows that it is essential to know who exactly the Son of God is. 

     We must know whether He is begotten or unbegotten; we must know whether He is a Son by Inheritance or a Son by title only. If we would know Jesus “Just as He is” then it is vital to know the truth about the Son of God. If we do not know then we will not be able to be transformed into the likeness of Christ and worse still if we assume an incorrect view we will surely be transformed into the image of Satan, the father of all false Christs and idols of the imagination.

 

Therefore a correct knowledge of the Son of God is the very heart of understanding righteousness by faith. How is this the case? How do we make that connection? Consider this passage:

 

Php 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

 

The Bible clearly tells us that Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God. The vital question we must ask here is upon what basis did Christ think it was not robbery to be equal with God? Where did His confidence rest? Let A.T Jones lay the matter out:

 

“What, then, is the thought concerning Christ in the first chapter of Hebrews?

First of all there is introduced "God"--God the Father--as the speaker to men, who "in time past

spake unto the fathers by the prophets" and who "hath in these last days spoken unto us by His

Son."

 

Thus is introduced Christ the Son of God. Then of Him and the Father it is written: "Whom He

[the Father] hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He [the Father] made the worlds."

Thus, as preliminary to His introduction and our consideration of Him as High Priest, Christ the

Son of God is introduced as being with God as Creator and as being the active, vivifying Word

in the creation--"by whom also He [God] made the worlds."

 

Next, of the Son of God Himself we read: "Who being the brightness of His [God's] glory, and

the express image of His [God's] person ["the very impress of His substance," margin R.V.], and

upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat

down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."

 

This tells us that in heaven the nature of Christ was the nature of God, that He in His person, in

His substance, is the very impress, the very character, of the substance of God. That is to say

that in heaven as He was before He came to the world the nature of Christ was in very

substance the nature of God.

 

Therefore it is further written of Him that He was "made so much better than the angels, as He

hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." This more excellent name is

the name "God," which, in the eighth verse, is given by the Father to the Son: "Unto the

Son He [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever."

Thus, He is "so much" better than the angels as God is better than the angels. And it is because

of this that He has that more excellent name --the name expressing only what He is in His very

nature. And this name "He hath by inheritance." It is not a name that was bestowed but a name

that is inherited.

 

Now it lies in the nature of things, as an everlasting truth, that the only name any person

can possibly inherit is his father's name. This name, then, of Christ's, which is more

excellent than that of the angels, is the name of His Father, and His Father's name is

God. The Son's name, therefore, which He has by inheritanceis God.”  Consecrated Way

to Christian Perfection Page 13,14

 

Hebrews chapter one explained by A.T Jones leaves us in absolutely no doubt about why Christ did not think it was robbery to be equal with God. Yet more than this it also leaves us in no doubt as to the basis of why Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God. The power, the position, the standing of Christ was all given to Him by the Father and the Son holds all these things by Faith in His Father’s Word. When the Father said to the Son:

 

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I

begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the

angels of God worship him.

And again Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne (our mind), O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of

righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

The Son accepted the words of the Father by faith. How So? To receive an inheritance requires an act of faith towards the giver. When the Father appointed Christ to be heir of all things, the Son accepted this appointment by faith.  Again why did Christ accept these things by faith ? We answer because they were given to Him by the Father.

 

Now we come to the crux of the issue of why Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God and to be heir of all things, to hold the title of God and to be worshipped by all the angels? 

His thinking was an act of faith. It was the faith that lives by every Word of God. This is the eternal 
faith of Jesus – a faith that allowed Him to believe what the Father said of Him which was to consider Himself equal with God and to be worshipped as God and to possess all the fullness of the Father’s Divinity. Jesus our mighty Prince chose by faith to accept all that the Father had said and did for Him. As Jesus sits upon the throne of the universe we read of Him:

 

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne (also our minds), O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of

righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

And how did Christ possess this sceptre of righteousness? It was by faith in the Father’s Word to Him. The Son of God is righteous by faith . The Son of God is the heart and soul, the kernel, the cornerstone of righteousness by faith because this is exactly how He has lived, does live and will live forever and ever. This is why He is the everlasting father of all those who live by the faith of Jesus in the Word of the Father.  

As we Behold the Son in this clear light we are transformed into the image of His faith. His faith in His Father’s Word dwells in us by the Spirit so we also believe the Father’s Word concerning us. As we behold Christ “just as He is” we are transformed into the same image even as by the glory of the Lord.  

In contrast to this picture of Jesus as holding the sceptre of righteousness by faith, we see another Christ, a Barabbas who enthrones himself in all the creeds of Christendom. Why does this robber not think it robbery to be equal with God? In what does this thief and murderer trust that causes him not to think it is robbery? Why he looks to himself and he points to his own power, his own knowledge, his own eternal age. He does not hold these things by faith but by his own eternal glory. He does not rest upon the Father’s Word but rather upon himself. 

When called upon to declare his confidence, he arises and reveals His pedigree of godhood not by faith but in self-confidence. He sits in the temple of God proclaiming himself God, for he coveted to ascend into the sides of the north and be like the Most High . . . . He is the perfect image of self-confidence and self-possession. But still further to this, this cunning deceiver places upon himself the mask of a dependent Jesus during his incarnation. He masks his self-confidence with a trusting submissive son. He blends the true and the false in order that the might hide his true self-confidence from visibility. He projects an image of trusting submission from his eternal resources of self-confidence. We ask again what is the result of beholding this self-confident second person of the Trinity? Why self-confidence of course! By beholding we are changed into the same image. If we perceive Jesus to be God from his own resources then we will become man from our own resources. If we believe that Jesus is God by faith in the Father’s Word then we will become men of faith in the Father’s Word formed in the same image.

 

Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false

prophets are gone out into the world. Many shall come in the name of Christ claiming to be Him

and they will yet deceive many.

 

We are righteous by faith when we behold Jesus just as He is – Righteousness by faith.

 

Thought it not Robbery

Written by A. Ebens

Friday, 07 December 2012 06:15

 

So few have looked to the Life of Christ and by faith learned to appropriate (take/accept) it as their own!

 

Christ's victories are all ours, BY FAITH. Victory to overcome appetite, pride of life, lust of the flesh, all sinful things! By faith, positive anticipation, trust in God & His Son, we can claim Christ's victories for our very own victories! 

 

Christ's own sinless life can be OURS by FAITH!


He did it! It is OURS, NOW, by Faith! Ask God in the name of His Son to give you His Son's sinless life - make HIS victories our OWN victories! 

 

It is like He won the prize, now we get to use the prize as our very own, just by believing, by FAITH.  

 

2 Corinthians 5:21 "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

Have you found that living the life outlined by the scriptures to be hard?  Sometimes I have.  But take a look at this inspired quote.
 
“Yet do not therefore conclude that the upward road is the hard, and the downward road the easy, way. All along the road that leads to death there are pains and penalties, there are sorrows and disappointments, there are warnings not to go on. God's love has made it hard for the heedless and headstrong to destroy themselves.”  TMB p.139
 
Praise the Lord !  We who doubt that God could ever change us.  Read further.
 
“The road may be rough and the ascent steep; there may be pitfalls upon the right hand and upon the left; we may have to endure toil in our journey; when weary, when longing for rest, we may have to toil on; when faint, we may have to fight; when discouraged, we must still hope; but with Christ as our guide we shall not fail of reaching the desired haven at last. Christ Himself has trodden the rough way before us and has smoothed the path for our feet.  {MB 140.2}
 
Yes, Christ Himself has gone before us.  But Elder Wieland who pioneered the 1888 Committee has put it in most beautiful words. 
 
"The Holy Spirit is (the presence and power of God sent through) Jesus Himself "abiding" with us, living with us as our Companion, unseen but no less real than when Jesus walked personally with the disciples by the Sea of Galilee. He walks with us "unseen" as verily as the resurrected Jesus walked with those two disciples Sunday evening on their way to Emmaus, when their eyes were "holden" and they did not "see" Him (Luke 24:13). He talked with them along the way. So He does with us. Robert J. Wieland, "Dial Daily Bread" November 15, 2004

"Continual and fervent prayer, and earnestness in well-doing, will bring you into communion with God; your mind and heart will imbibe a sense of eternal things, and the heavenly unction, which springs from connection with God, will be poured upon you. It will render your testimony powerful to convict and convert. Your light will not be uncertain, but your path will be luminous with heavenly brightness. God is all-powerful, and Heaven is full of light. You have only to use the means God has placed in your power to obtain the divine blessing.

Be instant in prayer. You are a savor of life unto life, or of death unto death. You occupy a fearfully responsible position. I entreat you to redeem the time. Come very near to God in supplication, and you will be like a tree planted by the river of waters, whose leaf is always green, and whose fruit appears in due season.... Only go to God, and take Him at His word, and let your works be sustained by living faith in His promises. God does not require from you eloquent prayers and logical reasoning; but only a humble, contrite heart, ready and willing to learn of Him.—The Review and Herald, August 8, 1878.

Christ says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life;” and it is the privilege of every soul to make Christ his personal Saviour. You need not wait to grow good; you need not think that any effort of yours will make your prayers acceptable, and bring you salvation. Let each man and woman pray to God, not to man. Let each one come to Christ in humility, speak to him with your own lips. The request, “Will you pray for me?” has become simply a form of speech; you should pray to God for yourself, believing that he listens to every word you utter. Lay bare your heart for his inspection, confess your sins, asking him to forgive you, pleading the merits of the atonement, and then by faith contemplate the great scheme of redemption, and the Comforter will bring all things to your remembrance.

The more you study the character of Christ, the more attractive will he appear to you. He will become as one near you, in close companionship with you; your affections will go out after him. If the mind is molded by the objects with which it has most to do, then to think of Jesus, to talk of him, will enable you to become like him in Spirit and character. You will reflect his image in that which is great and pure and spiritual. You will have the mind of Christ, and he will send you forth to the world as his spiritual representative. He will be your only glory. You cannot affiliate with the world without becoming a partaker of its spirit, without becoming guilty of treason against the Lord who has bought you.

It is the privilege of every earnest seeker for truth and righteousness, to rely upon the sure promises of God. The Lord Jesus makes manifest the fact that the treasures of divine grace are placed entirely at our disposal, in order that we may become channels of light. We cannot receive the riches of the grace of Christ without desiring to impart them to others. When we have the love of Christ in our hearts, we shall feel that it is our duty and privilege to communicate it. The sun shining in the heavens, pours its bright beams into all the highways and by-ways of life. It has sufficient light for thousands of worlds like ours. And so it is with the Sun of Righteousness; his bright beams of healing and gladness are amply sufficient to save our little world, and are efficacious in establishing security in every world that has been created. Christ declares that Our Heavenly Father is more willing to give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him, than earthly parents are to give good gifts to their children. The day of Pentecost furnished a wonderful occasion. In the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, what a testimony was given to the abundance of the grace of Christ! Why is it that those who claim to believe advanced truth, live so far beneath their privileges? Why do they mingle self with all they do? If they will cast out self, Jesus will pour into the thirsty soul a constant supply from the river of life. How can our ministers become the representatives of Christ, when they feel self-sufficient—when by spirit and attitude they say, “I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing”? We must not be in a self-satisfied condition, or we shall be described as those who are poor, and wretched, and miserable, and blind, and naked.

Since the time of the Minneapolis meeting, I have seen the state of the Laodicean Church as never before. I have heard the rebuke of God spoken to those who feel so well satisfied, who know not their spiritual destitution. Jesus speaks to these as he did to the woman of Samaria: “If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldst have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.”

Like the Jews, many have closed their eyes lest they should see; but there is as great peril now, in closing the eyes to light, and in walking apart from Christ, feeling need of nothing, as there was when he was upon earth. I have been shown many things which I have presented before our people in solemnity and earnestness, but those whose hearts have been hardened through criticism, jealousy, and evil surmisings, knew not that they were poor, and miserable, and blind, and naked. Those who resist the messages of God through his humble servant, think they are at variance with sister White, because her ideas are not in harmony with theirs; but this variance is not with sister White, but with the Lord, who had given her her work to do.

Those who realize their need of repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, will have contrition of soul, will repent for their resistance of the Spirit of the Lord. They will confess their sin in refusing the light that Heaven has so graciously sent them, and they will forsake the sin that grieved and insulted the Spirit of the Lord. They will humble self, and accept the power and grace of Christ, acknowledging the messages of warning, reproof, and encouragement. Then their faith in the work of God will be made manifest, and they will rely upon the atoning sacrifice. They will make a personal appropriation of Christ’s abundant grace and righteousness, and he will become to them a present Saviour; for they will realize their need of him, and with complete trust will rest in him. They will drink of the water of life from the divine, inexhaustible fountain. In a new and blessed experience, they will cast themselves upon Christ, and become partakers of the divine nature. The human and the divine will co-operate every day, and the heart will well up in thanksgiving and praise to Christ. Heavenly inspiration will have a part in the Christian experience, and we shall grow to the full stature of men and women in Christ Jesus.

It is growth in knowledge of the character of Christ that sanctifies the soul. To discern and appreciate the wonderful work of the atonement, transforms him who contemplates the plan of salvation. By beholding Christ, he becomes changed into the same image, from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord. The beholding of Jesus becomes an ennobling, refining process to the actual Christian. He sees the Pattern, and grows into its likeness, and then how easily are dissensions, emulations, and strife adjusted. The perfection of Christ’s character is the Christian’s inspiration. When we see him as he is, desire awakes to be like him, and this elevates the whole man; for “every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.”

I feel sad when I think how for long years there has been a gradual lowering of the standard. I have been shown that very few realize the constant presence of the divine Watcher who declares, “I know thy works.” Through the indulgence of sin, many have forfeited the favor of God, misrepresented Jesus, forgotten his presence, forgotten that they are living in his sight, and so have added evil to evil. All such are foolish virgins. They have no abiding consolation. The power of Christ is to be the comfort, the hope, the crown of rejoicing, of every one that follows Jesus in his conflict, in his struggles in life. He who truly follows the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world, can shout as he advances, “This is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”

What kind of faith is it that overcomes the world?—It is that faith which makes Christ your own personal Saviour,—that faith which, recognizing your helplessness, your utter inability to save yourself, takes hold of the Helper who is mighty to save, as your only hope. It is faith that will not be discouraged, that hears the voice of Christ saying, “Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world, and my divine strength is yours.” It is the faith that hears him say, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”

The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, “This is the way, walk ye in it.” Christ has all power in heaven and in earth, and he can strengthen the wavering, and set right the erring. He can inspire with confidence, with hope in God; and confidence in God always results in creating confidence in one another.

Every soul must have a realization that Christ is his personal Saviour; then love and zeal and steadfastness will be manifest in the Christian life. However clear and convincing the truth is, it will fail to sanctify the soul, fail to strengthen and fortify it in its conflicts, unless it is brought in constant contact with life. Satan has achieved his greatest success through interposing himself between the soul and the Saviour.

Christ should never be out of the mind. The angels said concerning him, “Thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.” Jesus, precious Saviour! assurance, helpfulness, security, and peace are all in him. He is the dispeller of all our doubts, the earnest of all our hopes. How precious is the thought that we may indeed become partakers of the divine nature, whereby we may overcome as Christ overcame! Jesus is the fullness of our expectation. He is the melody of our songs, the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. He is living water to the thirsty soul. He is our refuge in the storm. He is our righteousness, our sanctification, our redemption. When Christ is our personal Saviour, we shall show forth the praises of Him who hath called us out of darkness into his marvelous light.

This great spiritual destitution is not caused by any failure on the part of Christ doing all that is possible for the Church. Our Heavenly Father bestowed all Heaven in one gift,—that of his dear Son. The work of the Holy Spirit is not to daub with untempered mortar, but it is to convince the world of sin, of righteousness, of judgment to come. Jesus says, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” The revelation of the Son of God upon the cross, dying for the sins of men, draws the hearts of men by the power of infinite love, and convinces the sinner of sin. Christ died because the law was transgressed, that guilty man might be saved from the penalty of his enormous guilt. But history has proved that it is easier to destroy the world than to reform it; for men crucified the Lord of glory, who came to unite earth with heaven, and man with God. RH August 26, 1890, par. 1

Who 
we worship, what kind of a God we 
adore and praise, has tremendous consequences to our understanding of 
God’s love, the integrity of His character, and the power of His salvation. Click here to download Which Jesus do YOU worship?

Those who are eagerly studying how they may secure the pre-eminence should study rather how they may gain that wisdom which is "first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." I have been shown that many ministers need to have these words imprinted on the tablets of the soul. He who has Christ formed within, the hope of glory, will "show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom." {5T 175.2}

 No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest uponyet we may be practicing idolatryIt is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of BaalAre we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God.  {5T 173.4} 

It is Satan who constantly questions the divine son-ship of Christ


"The Sabbath...is the sign of the power of Christ." Desire of Ages, p. 283.4

"As the Jews departed from God, and failed to make the righteousness of Christ their own by faith (positive anticipation), the Sabbath lost its significance to them. Satan was seeking to exalt himself and to draw men away from Christ, and he worked to pervert the Sabbath, because it is the sign of the power of Christ. The Jewish leaders accomplished the will of Satan by surrounding God's rest day with burdensome requirements. In the days of Christ the Sabbath had become so perverted that its observance reflected the character of selfish and arbitrary men rather than the character of the loving heavenly Father. The rabbis virtually represented God as giving laws which it was impossible for men to obey. They led the people to look upon God as a tyrant, and to think that the observance of the Sabbath, as He required it, made men hard-hearted and cruel. It was the work of Christ to clear away these misconceptions. Although the rabbis followed Him with merciless hostility, He did not even appear to conform to their requirements, but went straight forward, keeping the Sabbath according to the law of God." The Desire of Ages, p. 283.4

Letter from a friend of mine, answered below:

Hi Cindy,

The relationship between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is something we will never throughout eternity completely understand. We need to be very careful to not go beyond what is revealed and accept by faith what we can never fully understand. The very fact that we cannot understand everything proves that God is infinite. We are told in A.A. p. 51-52: 

"It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, "the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father."... The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden."

Please consider this in the spirit in which it is intended. My only concern is for yours and mine, and everyone else's salvation. Please let me know your thoughts, perhaps I am missing something here. We need to search these things out and help each other because Jesus is coming and we need above all things to be able to meet Him in peace.


God bless you always, 


******name removed for privacy reasons*****


11/18/2012

Answer to my Berean friend:

****, my friend, you are right to have a respectful concern about going beyond what is revealed about our heavenly Father, His Son, and the Spirit of God. Your selected quote from Ellen White is also appropriate. We are not to concern ourselves with just “what” the Holy Spirit is or the “nature” of the Holy Spirit. How Christ can dwell in us and yet be invisible to the world was a mystery to the disciples and it is a mystery to us. 

“That Christ should manifest Himself to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of the outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet He be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation.” This Day with God p. 142 (Manuscript 44, May 13, 1897).

She is, of course, referring to the words of Jesus in John 14:16-21. He was speaking about the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth that would not be received by the world because they could not see him, but that they knew him because he dwells with them, and that Jesus would come to them, and would be in them and manifest himself to them. They ask him how is he going to manifest himself to them and not to the world (verse 22) indicating that they clearly understood that he was speaking about himself when he used the terms Comforter and Spirit of Truth. 

But Jesus didn't answer their question of “how.” He would not discuss “what” the Spirit was or its “nature” of its “spiritual manifestation.” But he answered by making very clear “WHO” the Spirit of truth, the Comforter, was: He and his Father would come and abide in them (verse 23).

This is what I believe about the Holy Spirit: Christ is the Son of GOD, who by some Divine Act was brought forth from the Father before creation. And the "Holy" Spirit proceeds from the Father, through the Son, making them both every-where present. Jesus gave up His omnipresence when He took human nature. So now He must dwell in us through His Holy Spirit. But Jesus still possesses, he still “has” omnipresence in his “spiritual manifestation”: Revelation 3:1; 5:6. So now he dwells in us as His Holy Spirit. 1Peter 1:10,11Desire of Ages p. 671.

John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.

Let’s use Scripture to answer for us. Christ is the eternal Son of God whose goings forth (goings forth is translated in many Bible's as "origin") from God the Father was from ancient times, from the days of eternity, before ever the world was:

  • Matthew 16:16; Isaiah 9:6; John 8:42; 16:27,28; 17:8; Proverbs 8:22-24; 30:4; 1John 4:9,14; Hebrews 1:6; Micah 5:2.
  • The Spirit of God proceeds from the Father who is a Spirit: John 15:26; 4:24.
  • The Father gives His Spirit, His life, to His Son without measure: John 3:34; 5:26.
  • The Father sheds the Holy Spirit of His Son on us abundantly through Jesus Christ: Gal 4:6; Titus 3:5,6.
  • Jesus in his humanity cannot be everywhere and this is an eternal sacrifice he made for us. As our mediator between the Father he is the man Christ Jesus: 1Tim 2:5.
  • As our Advocate (paracletos) with the Father he is our Comforter (paracletos): 1John 2:1.
  • But Jesus still possesses, he still “has” omnipresence in his “spiritual manifestation”: Revelation 3:1; 5:6.
  • So now he dwells in us as His Holy Spirit. 1Peter 1:10,11; Desire of Ages p. 671.

The disciples had a hard time understanding the "Holy" Spirit also, as do many today. The disciples did not believe the "Holy" Spirit was anyone other than Christ.

"The Saviour has given the promise of His presence to all who labor in the spirit of true service. "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth," He says; "go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." As you present the Word to your hearers, claim this promise of Christ's presenceThere is no day, no hour of the day, when He will not be near you by "His" "Holy" SpiritHe is in every meeting that is held in His name. His promise is given for as long as time shall last." AUCR, December 30, 1907 par. 3

"Christ gave his followers a positive promise that after his ascension he would send them his Spirit. "Go ye therefore," he said, "and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father [a personal God], and of the Son [a personal Prince and Saviour], and of the Holy Ghost [sent from heaven to represent Christ by HIS OWN SPIRIT]: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world."" RH, October 26, 1897 par. 9

Note from the two quotes above that it is Christ who is with us by His own "Holy" Spirit. This truth is also confirmed from "The Desire of Ages":

While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, "Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." Matt. 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church. DA 166

When Jesus ascended saying I will send the comforter to you... 

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord (Jesus) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.  John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." More about this here:  https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/the-trinity-on-trial

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

John 17:23  I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, and have loved them, as you have loved me. 

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (Notice it's the Father and the Son who makes their home INSIDE US? Not three, only two beings live inside us by their Spirit.)   Romans 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:23 and ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.  1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

“We adore God for His wonderous love in giving us Jesus the Comforter” SD 124

 "The Saviour is our Comforter” 8 MR 49

 

“There is no Comforter like Christ” RH OCT 26, 1897

 

“He (Christ) is the comforter RH JAN 27, 1903

 

“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” 19 MR 293

  

Answer; The Holy Spirit is certainly a living person. It is the person of Christ, His very life with His church. Jesus lives inside consecrated commandment keeping bodies. It is Jesus INVISIBLE, walking UNSEEN beside us and INSIDE us, helping us to be SIN-FREE!

 

While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, "Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." Matt. 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church.  {DA 166.2}

 

This is why Jesus could promise;    

I will come to you.  

I will never leave you nor forsake you.

I am with you always even unto the end of the world.

Where two or three are gathered in my name there am I in the midst of them.

 

Please tell me is Jesus with you now in the body (physically), or is He with you by His Holy Spirit?

If you still want to make the Holy Spirit someone else, then someone else is with you not Jesus?

Look at who inspiration says is the true comforter;

 

“The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ.” DA 80

 

Christ gives them the breath of His own Spirit, the life of His own life.” MH 159

 

If you disbelieve the SOP, how do you answer Jn 20:22

 

John 20:22  And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

The Word of God here gives us a practical illustration of the impartation of the Spirit; which is the life of Christ, it is His very own breath.

It is a part of Him, Jesus, not someone else. Even young children get this.

 

Eph 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;





"Behold the Bridegroom cometh. Jesus turned from them with a frown. They had slighted and rejected him. Those who received the message were wrapped in a cloud of glory. They waited and watched and prayed to know the will of God. They greatly feared to offend him. I saw Satan and his angels seeking to shut this divine light from the people of God; but as long as the waiting ones cherished the light, and kept their eyes raised from earth to Jesus, Satan could have no power to deprive them of this precious light. The message given from heaven enraged Satan and his angels, and those who professed to love Jesus, but despised his coming, scorned and derided the faithful, trusting ones. But an angel marked every insult, every slight, every abuse they received from their professed brethren. Very many raised their voices to cry, Behold the Bridegroom cometh, and left their brethren who did not love the appearing of Jesus, and who would not suffer them to dwell upon his second coming. I saw Jesus turn his face from those who rejected and despised his coming, and then he bade angels lead his people out from among the unclean, lest they should be defiled. Those obedient to the messages stood out free and united. A holy and excellent light shone upon them. They renounced the world, tore their affections from it, and sacrificed their earthly interests. They gave up their earthly treasure, and their anxious gaze was directed to heaven, expecting to see their loved Deliverer. A sacred, holy joy beamed upon their countenances, and told of the peace and joy which reigned within. Jesus bade his angels go and strengthen them, for the hour of their trial drew onI saw that these waiting ones were not yet tried as they must beThey were not free from errors. And I saw the mercy and goodness of God in sending a warning to the people of earth, and REPEATED MESSAGES to bring them up to a point of time, to lead them to a diligent search of themselves, that they might divest themselves of errors which have been handed down from the heathen and papists. Through these messages God has been BRINGING OUT his people where he can work for them in greater power, and where they can keep ALL His commandments." —{Spiritual Gifts, Volume 1, Page 157}

 

“The eye salve is the true spiritual discernment that is so wanting among us, for spiritual things must be spiritually discerned.” {The Review and Herald, April 1, 1890}.


Good Morning all,  could not help but share this.  For it is the heart of our message as a people.  Though it is a unpopular message it will sound.  This message has changed my life and I want to share it with you.  Once you get just a glimpse you will NOT be the same again.  For your very SOUL will be impressed with the image of HIM who is invisible.
 
May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ send His Holy Spirit into YOUR hearts that you maybe able to comprehend our RICH inheritance IN CHRIST.

 
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What is the all absorbing message that is to be proclaimed to the world in these last days?
 
“In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import--the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention” . 9T 19
 
And what is the central theme of the Three Angel’s messages?
 
“Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message, and I have answered, "It is the third angel's message, in verity."-- The Review and
Herald, April 1, 1890.
 
Who delivered this message and what was it about?
 
“The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through Elders Waggoner and Jones . This message was to bring more prominently before the world the uplifted Saviour, the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. It presented justification through faith in the Surety; it invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ, which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God.  Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed to have their eyes directed to His divine person, His merits, and His changeless love for the human family. All power is given into His hands, that He may dispense rich gifts unto men, imparting the priceless gift of His own righteousness to the helpless human agentThis is the message that God commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel's message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice, and attended with the outpouring of His Spirit in a large measure.” TM 91,92
 
How is the subject of the only Begotten Son related to the message of justification through
faith?
 
Notice the introduction to E.J Waggoner’s book Christ and His Righteousness
 
“In the first verse of the third chapter of Hebrews we have an exhortation which comprehends all
the injunctions given to the Christian. It is this: "Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the
heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus." To do
this as the Bible enjoins, to consider Christ continually and intelligently, just as He is, will
transform one into a perfect Christian, for "by beholding we become changed.”
Christ and His Righteousness Page 5.
 
A.T Jones brings this principle of beholding Christ into sharper focus for us. The opening
chapter of his book Consecrated Way to Christian Perfection begins with calling us to examine
the “Such” in Paul’s statement “Such a High Priest” Heb 8:1 Notice what he says:
 
“The condescension of Christ, the position of Christ, and the nature of Christ as He was in the
flesh in the world are given in the second chapter of Hebrews more fully than in any other one
place in the Scriptures. But this is in the second chapter. The first chapter precedes it.Therefore
the truth and the thought presented in the first chapter are essentially precedent to the second
chapter. The first chapter must be fully understood in order to be able to follow the thought and
understand the truth in the second chapter. In the first chapter of Hebrews, the exaltation,
the position, and the nature of Christ as He was in heaven before He came to the world
are more fully given than in any other single portion of the Scriptures. Therefore it is
certain that an understanding of the position and nature of Christ as He was in heaven is
essential to a proper understanding of His position and nature as He was on earth
.”  Consecrated Way to Christian Perfection Page 11,12
 
Essentially what Jones and Waggoner are telling us is that when we behold Christ “Just as He is” revealed in Scripture and especially in Hebrews one and two, we will be transformed into the same image and receive that righteousness that will produce a keeping of all the commandments in the life.  Therefore if we would know the Son of God “Just as He is,” if we would know His true position and nature as He was in Heaven then it follows that it is essential to know who exactly the Son of God is. 

     We must know whether He is begotten or unbegotten; we must know whether He is a Son by Inheritance or a Son by title only. If we would know Jesus “Just as He is” then it is vital to know the truth about the Son of God. If we do not know then we will not be able to be transformed into the likeness of Christ and worse still if we assume an incorrect view we will surely be transformed into the image of Satan, the father of all false Christs and idols of the imagination.
 
Therefore a correct knowledge of the Son of God is the very heart of understanding righteousness by faith. How is this the case? How do we make that connection? Consider this passage:
 
Php 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
 
The Bible clearly tells us that Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God. The vital question we must ask here is upon what basis did Christ think it was not robbery to be equal with God? Where did His confidence rest? Let A.T Jones lay the matter out:
 
“What, then, is the thought concerning Christ in the first chapter of Hebrews?
First of all there is introduced "God"--God the Father--as the speaker to men, who "in time past
spake unto the fathers by the prophets" and who "hath in these last days spoken unto us by His
Son."
 
Thus is introduced Christ the Son of God. Then of Him and the Father it is written: "Whom He
[the Father] hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He [the Father] made the worlds."
Thus, as preliminary to His introduction and our consideration of Him as High Priest, Christ the
Son of God is introduced as being with God as Creator and as being the active, vivifying Word
in the creation--"by whom also He [God] made the worlds."
 
Next, of the Son of God Himself we read: "Who being the brightness of His [God's] glory, and
the express image of His [God's] person ["the very impress of His substance," margin R.V.], and
upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat
down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."
 
This tells us that in heaven the nature of Christ was the nature of God, that He in His person, in
His substance, is the very impress, the very character, of the substance of God. That is to say
that in heaven as He was before He came to the world the nature of Christ was in very
substance the nature of God.
 
Therefore it is further written of Him that He was "made so much better than the angels, as He
hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." This more excellent name is
the name "God," which, in the eighth verse, is given by the Father to the Son: "Unto the
Son He [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever."
Thus, He is "so much" better than the angels as God is better than the angels. And it is because
of this that He has that more excellent name --the name expressing only what He is in His very
nature. And this name "He hath by inheritance." It is not a name that was bestowed but a name
that is inherited.
 
Now it lies in the nature of things, as an everlasting truth, that the only name any person
can possibly inherit is his father's name. This name, then, of Christ's, which is more
excellent than that of the angels, is the name of His Father, and His Father's name is
God. The Son's name, therefore, which He has by inheritanceis God.”  Consecrated Way
to Christian Perfection Page 13,14
 
Hebrews chapter one explained by A.T Jones leaves us in absolutely no doubt about why Christ did not think it was robbery to be equal with God. Yet more than this it also leaves us in no doubt as to the basis of why Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God. The power, the position, the standing of Christ was all given to Him by the Father and the Son holds all these things by Faith in His Father’s Word. When the Father said to the Son:
 
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I
begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the
angels of God worship him.

And again Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne (our mind), O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of
righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
The Son accepted the words of the Father by faith. How So? To receive an inheritance requires an act of faith towards the giver. When the Father appointed Christ to be heir of all things, the Son accepted this appointment by faith.  Again why did Christ accept these things by faith ? We answer because they were given to Him by the Father.
 
Now we come to the crux of the issue of why Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God and to be heir of all things, to hold the title of God and to be worshipped by all the angels? 

His thinking was an act of faith. It was the faith that lives by every Word of God. This is the eternal faith of Jesus – a faith that allowed Him to believe what the Father said of Him which was to consider Himself equal with God and to be worshipped as God and to possess all the fullness of the Father’s Divinity. Jesus our mighty Prince chose by faith to accept all that the Father had said and did for Him. As Jesus sits upon the throne of the universe we read of Him:
 
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne (also our minds), O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of
righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
And how did Christ possess this sceptre of righteousness? It was by faith in the Father’s Word to Him. The Son of God is righteous by faith . The Son of God is the heart and soul, the kernel, the cornerstone of righteousness by faith because this is exactly how He has lived, does live and will live forever and ever. This is why He is the everlasting father of all those who live by the faith of Jesus in the Word of the Father.  

As we Behold the Son in this clear light we are transformed into the image of His faith. His faith in His Father’s Word dwells in us by the Spirit so we also believe the Father’s Word concerning us. As we behold Christ “just as He is” we are transformed into the same image even as by the glory of the Lord.  

In contrast to this picture of Jesus as holding the sceptre of righteousness by faith, we see another Christ, a Barabbas who enthrones himself in all the creeds of Christendom. Why does this robber not think it robbery to be equal with God? In what does this thief and murderer trust that causes him not to think it is robbery? Why he looks to himself and he points to his own power, his own knowledge, his own eternal age. He does not hold these things by faith but by his own eternal glory. He does not rest upon the Father’s Word but rather upon himself. 

When called upon to declare his confidence, he arises and reveals His pedigree of godhood not by faith but in self-confidence. He sits in the temple of God proclaiming himself God, for he coveted to ascend into the sides of the north and be like the Most High . . . . He is the perfect image of self-confidence and self-possession. But still further to this, this cunning deceiver places upon himself the mask of a dependent Jesus during his incarnation. He masks his self-confidence with a trusting submissive son. He blends the true and the false in order that the might hide his true self-confidence from visibility. He projects an image of trusting submission from his eternal resources of self-confidence. We ask again what is the result of beholding this self-confident second person of the Trinity? Why self-confidence of course! By beholding we are changed into the same image. If we perceive Jesus to be God from his own resources then we will become man from our own resources. If we believe that Jesus is God by faith in the Father’s Word then we will become men of faith in the Father’s Word formed in the same image.
 
Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false
prophets are gone out into the world. Many shall come in the name of Christ claiming to be Him
and they will yet deceive many.
 
We are righteous by faith when we behold Jesus just as He is – Righteousness by faith.
 
Thought it not Robbery
Written by A. Ebens
Friday, 07 December 2012 06:15

So few have looked to the Life of Christ and by faith learned to appropriate (take/accept) it as their own!

Christ's victories are all ours, BY FAITH. Victory to overcome appetite, pride of life, lust of the flesh, all sinful things! By faith, positive anticipation, trust in God & His Son, we can claim Christ's victories for our very own victories! 

Christ's own sinless life can be OURS by FAITH!

He did it! It is OURS, NOW, by Faith! Ask God in the name of His Son to give you His Son's sinless life - make HIS victories our OWN victories! 

It is like He won the prize, now we get to use the prize as our very own, just by believing, by FAITH.  

2 Corinthians 5:21 "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

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Blessings from the Most Holy Place where Christ is almost finished with the book work. 

I pray "that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Ephesians 1:17

“To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” Colossians 1:27

“I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father. You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father. Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!” —John 14:12-14

Authority on Earth. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. (Mark 13: 34)

"Servants of God, with their faces lighted up and shining with holy consecration, will hasten from place to place to proclaim the message from heaven. By thousands of voices, all over the earth, the warning will be given. Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and wonders will follow the believers .... Thus the inhabitants of the earth will be brought to take their stand." (GC 612)
 
“They that forsake the law praise the wicked.” Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God’s people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood.

In Nehemiah’s firm devotion to the work of God, and his equally firm reliance on God, lay the reason of the failure of his enemies to draw him into their power. 

The soul that is indolent falls an easy prey to temptation; but in the life that has a noble aim, an absorbing purpose, evil finds little foothold. The faith of him who is constantly advancing does not weaken; for above, beneath, beyond, he recognizes Infinite Love, working out all things to accomplish His good purpose. God’s true servants work with a determination that will not fail because the throne of grace is their constant dependence.

God has provided divine assistance for all the emergencies to which our human resources are unequal. He gives the Holy Spirit to help in every strait, to strengthen our hope and assurance, to illuminate our minds and purify our hearts. He provides opportunities and opens channels of working. If His people are watching the indications of His providence, and are ready to co-operate with Him, they will see mighty results." --{Prophets and Kings, Page 660}
 
Ecclesiastes 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."

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Jesus had opened before His disciples a vast tract of truth. But it was most difficult for them to keep His lessons distinct from the traditions and maxims of the scribes and Pharisees. They had been educated to accept the teaching of the rabbis as the voice of God, and it still held a power over their minds, and molded their sentiments. Earthly ideas, temporal things, still had a large place in their thoughts. They did not understand the spiritual nature of Christ's kingdom, though He had so often explained it to them. Their minds had become confused. They did not comprehend the value of the scriptures Christ presented. Many of His lessons seemed almost lost upon them. Jesus saw that they did not lay hold of the real meaning of His words. He compassionately promised that the Holy Spirit should recall these sayings to their minds. And He had left unsaid many things that could not be comprehended by the disciples. These also would be opened to them by the Spirit. The Spirit was to quicken their

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understanding, that they might have an appreciation of heavenly things. "When He, the Spirit of truth (invisible Jesus, by His Spirit), is come," said Jesus, "He will guide you into all truth."

The Comforter is called "the Spirit of truth." His work is to define and maintain the truth. He first dwells in the heart as the Spirit of truth, and thus He becomes the Comforter. There is comfort and peace in the truth, but no real peace or comfort can be found in falsehood. It is through false theories and traditions that Satan gains his power over the mind. By directing men to false standards, he misshapes the character. Through the Scriptures the Holy Spirit speaks to the mind, and impresses truth upon the heart. Thus He exposes error, and expels it from the soul. It is by the Spirit of truth, working through the word of God, that Christ subdues His chosen people to Himself.

In describing to His disciples the office work of the Holy Spirit, Jesus sought to inspire them with the joy and hope that inspired His own heart. He rejoiced because of the abundant help He had provided for His church. The Holy Spirit was the highest of all gifts that He could solicit from His Father for the exaltation of His people. The Spirit was to be given as a regenerating agent, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of men to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given His Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress His own character upon His church.

Of the Spirit Jesus said, "He shall glorify Me." The Saviour came to glorify the Father by the demonstration of His love; so the Spirit was to glorify Christ by revealing His grace to the world. The very image of God is to be reproduced in humanity. The honor of God, the honor of Christ, is involved in the perfection of the character of His people.

"When He [the Spirit of truth] is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." The preaching of the word will be of no avail without the continual presence and aid of the Holy Spirit. This is the only effectual teacher of divine truth. Only

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when the truth is accompanied to the heart by the Spirit will it quicken the conscience or transform the life. One might be able to present the letter of the word of God, he might be familiar with all its commands and promises; but unless the Holy Spirit sets home the truth, no souls will fall on the Rock and be broken. No amount of education, no advantages, however great, can make one a channel of light without the co-operation of the Spirit of God. The sowing of the gospel seed will not be a success unless the seed is quickened into life by the dew of heaven. Before one book of the New Testament was written, before one gospel sermon had been preached after Christ's ascension, the Holy Spirit came upon the praying apostles. Then the testimony of their enemies was, "Ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine." Acts 5:28.

Christ has promised the gift of the Holy Spirit to His church, and the promise belongs to us as much as to the first disciples. But like every other promise, it is given on conditions. There are many who believe and profess to claim the Lord's promise; they talk about Christ and about the Holy Spirit, yet receive no benefit. They do not surrender the soul to be guided and controlled by the divine agenciesWe cannot use the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is to use us. Through the Spirit God works in His people "to will and to do of His good pleasure." Phil. 2:13. But many will not submit to this. They want to manage themselves. This is why they do not receive the heavenly gift. Only to those who wait humbly upon God, who watch for His guidance and grace, is the Spirit given. The power of God awaits their demand and reception. This promised blessing, claimed by faith, brings all other blessings in its train. It is given according to the riches of the grace of Christ, and He is ready to supply every soul according to the capacity to receive.

In His discourse to the disciples, Jesus made no mournful allusion to His own sufferings and death. His last legacy to them was a legacy of peace. He said, "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."

Before leaving the upper chamber, the Saviour led His disciples in a song of praise. His voice was heard, not in the strains of some mournful lament, but in the joyful notes of the Passover hallel:

"O praise the Lord, all ye nations:
Praise Him, all ye people.
For His merciful kindness is great toward us:
And the truth of the Lord endureth forever.
Praise ye the Lord." Psalm 117.
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After the hymn, they went out. Through the crowded streets they made their way, passing out of the city gate toward the Mount of Olives. Slowly they proceeded, each busy with his own thoughts. As they began to descend toward the mount, Jesus said, in a tone of deepest sadness, "All ye shall be offended because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad." Matt. 26:31. The disciples listened in sorrow and amazement. They remembered how in the synagogue at Capernaum, when Christ spoke of Himself as the bread of life, many had been offended, and had turned away from Him. But the twelve had not shown themselves unfaithful. Peter, speaking for his brethren, had then declared his loyalty to Christ. Then the Saviour had said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" John 6:70. In the upper chamber Jesus said that one of the twelve would betray Him, and that Peter would deny Him. But now His words include them all.

Now Peter's voice is heard vehemently protesting, "Although all shall be offended, yet will not I." In the upper chamber he had declared, "I will lay down my life for Thy sake." Jesus had warned him that he would that very night deny his Saviour. Now Christ repeats the warning: "Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny Me thrice." But Peter only "spake the more vehemently, If I should die with Thee, I will not deny Thee in anywise. Likewise also said they all." Mark 14:29, 30, 31. In their self-confidence they denied the repeated statement of Him who knew. They were unprepared for the test; when temptation should overtake them, they would understand their own weakness.

When Peter said he would follow his Lord to prison and to death, he meant it, every word of it; but he did not know himself. Hidden in his heart were elements of evil that circumstances would fan into life. Unless he was made conscious of his danger, these would prove his eternal ruin. The Saviour saw in him a self-love and assurance that would overbear even his love for Christ. Much of infirmity, of unmortified sin, carelessness of spirit, unsanctified temper, heedlessness in entering into temptation, had been revealed in his experience. Christ's solemn warning was a call to heart searching. Peter needed to distrust himself, and to have a deeper faith in Christ. Had he in humility received the warning, he would have appealed to the Shepherd of the flock to keep His sheep. When on the Sea of Galilee he was about to sink, he cried, "Lord, save me." Matt. 14:30. Then the hand of Christ was outstretched

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to grasp his hand. So now if he had cried to Jesus, Save me from myself, he would have been kept. But Peter felt that he was distrusted, and he thought it cruel. He was already offended, and he became more persistent in his self-confidence.

Jesus looks with compassion on His disciples. He cannot save them from the trial, but He does not leave them comfortless. He assures them that He is to break the fetters of the tomb, and that His love for them will not fail. "After I am risen again," He says, "I will go before you into Galilee." Matt. 26:32. Before the denial, they have the assurance of forgiveness. After His death and resurrection, they knew that they were forgiven, and were dear to the heart of Christ." http://www.whiteestate.org/books/da/da73.html


The "THEOS" magazines I sent you prepared by Dr. Gary Hullquist - are extremely enlightening. 
Here are the magazines I sent you - in PDF format: 


Theos - Battle Over Begotten Series:
Theos - Battle Over Begotten # 1
Theos - Battle Over Begotten # 2
Theos - Battle Over Begotten # 3
Theos - Battle Over Begotten # 4
Theos - Struggle Over Spirit # 5
Theos - Into My Heart
Theos - Struggle Over Begotten Issue #6 Theos Issue 6: Theos The Book. 124 pages. Digitial PDF. 
These magazines are a review of the belief in the begotten Son of God from apostolic days to the present with special focus on the slow change that evolved within the Seventh-day Adventist church.


Here is a sermon David Clayton gave at a camp meeting - also on the subject of the Godhead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12jjMbbR8cU <WONDERFUL PRESENTATION!

Ever wondered what Ellen White meant when she said the Righteousness of Christ will swallow up every other subject? It's explained in the video above....worth watching for sure!

Here is the quote for your review:

For Mrs. White, the emphasis on salvation by faith during the 1888-1895 period embodied the “third angel’s message,” especially as this message related to Christ’s work in the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary. It was more than a mere recovery of “righteousness by faith” as proclaimed by the Reformers.

The increased light that Bible study had presented to the 1888 Minneapolis General Conference confirmed the linkage between the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus in an inseparable union, a union as efficient and interdependent as two poles of a battery, in the dynamic transformation of human lives.

In the 1888 emphasis, linkage was further made between the results of a personal application of salvation by faith and the closing work of Christ in the Most Holy Place. For Ellen White, the church will languish until its members understand and experience the truth that seeing Christ in the law enables men and women to be obedient to that law. When people see how Christ truly removes the guilt the law condemns, they will see how He truly enables men and women to become what the law describes. In so doing, such people become what John predicted would exist in the generation that proclaims the third angel’s message (Rev. 14:12). Thus, “Christ Our Righteousness” becomes that “one subject that will swallow up” all others. Review and Herald Extra, Dec. 23, 1890, p. 2; A. G. Daniells, Christ Our Righteousness (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1941) 128 pages.

New wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. Luke 5:38.

We should earnestly seek to know and appreciate the truth, that we may present it to others as it is in Jesus. We need to have a correct estimate of the value of our own souls; then we would not be as reckless in regard to our course of action as at present. We would seek most earnestly to know God's way; ... and our constant prayer would be that we might have the mind of Christ, that we might be molded and fashioned after His likeness. It is in looking to Jesus and beholding His loveliness, having our eyes steadfastly fixed upon Him that we become changed into His image....

The end is near! We have not a moment to lose! Light is to shine forth from God's people in clear, distinct rays, bringing Jesus before the churches and before the world.... The instrumentalities to be used are those souls who gladly receive the light of truth which God communicates to them. These are God's agencies for communicating the knowledge of truth to the world. If through the grace of Christ His people will become new bottles, He will fill them with the new wine. God will give additional light, and old truths will be recovered, and replaced in the frame-work of truth; and wherever the laborers go, they will triumph. As Christ's ambassadors, they are to search the Scriptures, to seek for the truths that have been hidden beneath the rubbish of error. And every ray of light received is to be communicated to others. One interest will prevail, one subject will swallow up every other,—Christ our righteousness.... Sons and Daughters of God, p. 259.3The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 765.6

What IS the "GRACE" of Christ? Grace (G5485) = the Divine Influence (Holy Spirit) upon the heart, and It's reflection as seen in the life! "The oil is a symbol of the Holy Spirit." CHRIST’S OBJECT LESSONS, PAGE 407

“I am the Lord which exercise loving-kindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord.” This is what needs to be brought into ... all our churches. God wants every soul to turn to the first love. He wants all to have the gold of faith and love, so that they can draw from the treasure to impart to others who need it." The Review and Herald Extra, December 23, 1890.

 If we are following Christ, His merits, imputed to us, come up before the Father as sweet odor. And the graces of our Saviour's character, implanted in our hearts, will shed around us a precious fragrance. The spirit of love, meekness, and forbearance pervading our life will have power to soften and subdue hard hearts and win to Christ bitter opposers of the faith.  {5T 174.1} 

     "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others." "Do all things without murmurings and disputings: that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."  {5T 174.2} 

     Vainglory, selfish ambition, is the rock upon which many souls have been wrecked and many churches rendered powerless. Those who know least of devotion, who are least connected with God, are the ones who will most eagerly seek the highest place. They have no sense of their weakness and their deficiencies of character. Unless many of our young ministers shall feel the converting power of God, their labors will be a hindrance rather than a help to the church. They may have learned the doctrines of Christ, but they have not learned

Christ. The soul that is constantly looking unto Jesus will see His self-denying love and deep humility, and will copy His example. Pride, ambition, deceit, hatred, selfishness, must be cleansed from the heart. With many these evil traits are partially subdued, but not thoroughly uprooted from the heart. Under favorable circumstances they spring up anew and ripen into rebellion against God. Here lies a terrible danger. To spare any sin is to cherish a foe that only awaits an unguarded moment to cause our ruin.  {5T 174.3} 

Ellen White: “He gave His only begotten Son— not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”.  Signs of The Times of May 3, 1895, 

"Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,--one in nature, in character, and in purpose,--the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God." (GC 493)

John 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

1 John 2:24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

2 Corinthians 11:31 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not."

"He [Christ] who was born in the form of God took the form of man." In the flesh he was all the while as God, but he did not appear as God." "He divested himself of the form of God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of man" A. T. Jones, General Conference Bulletin, March 4, 1895, 'The Third Angel's Message - No. 23'

Firstborn of every creature (Col 1:15-16) Before creation.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The words "going forth" actually means "Origins" and is translated in many bibles that way. So his origin was in eternity, from everlasting, just as Proverbs 8 says.

The New American Bible:

But you, Bethlehem-Ephrathah too small to be among the clans of Judah, From you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel; Whose origin is from of old, from ancient times.

The New English Translation:

"As for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
seemingly insignificant among the clans of Judah— 
from you a king will emerge who will rule over Israel on my behalf,
one whose origins are in the distant past."

Also Young's Literal:

"And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth--to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth are of old, From the days of antiquity."

God's Word:

"You, Bethlehem Ephrathah, are too small to be included among Judah's cities. Yet, from you Israel's future ruler will come for me. His origins go back to the distant past, to days long ago."

Yes, Christ's "origins" were "from the days of antiquity." He was setup from everlasting, brought forth of his father, begotten in the express image of God.

Q] A doctrine is pervading in the church today that Christ became the begotten son when he took on humanity and not before that. Was he begotten before taking human nature?

“A complete offering has been made; for “God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,”—not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895)

Compare this with the following:

“Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father.” (Ellen White, Youth’s Instructor, December 20, 1900)

“The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. “(Ellen White, Review and Herald, July 9, 1895, par. 13)

“Christ is the Son of God in deed and in truth and in love, and is the representative of the Father as well as the representative of the human race.” (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, page 83)

"As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.” Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning" (E. J. Waggoner—Christ and His Righteousness, pp. 21, 22).

Jesus was God's manifestation of love. "For God so loved the world." (John 3:16) We often say to people that God loves you....and this is the proof. It does not say God loved a few special people, or just those who believe in Him, but He loved the whole world. That includes everyone here, in this nation and around the world. Jesus's sacrifice on the cross was to pay the sin debt of all men who ever lived. If that is not true then He could not offer salvation to all men and we could not preach the Gospel.

C. The verse says that "He gave His only begotten Son." The phrase only begotten has great meaning.

1. It says that God gave. Salvation is a free and unmerited gift. It cannot be earned. Only Christ was perfect and only He could satisfy the sin debt you and I owed.

2. "Only-begotten." This term is never applied by John to any but to Jesus Christ. It is applied by him five times to the Saviour, John 1:14; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9. It means literally an only child. Then, as an only child is peculiarly dear to a parent, it means one that is especially beloved

3. Only-begotten. This term is never applied by John to any but Jesus Christ. It is applied by him five times to the Saviour, John 1:14; 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9. It means literally an only child. Then, as an only child is peculiarly dear to a parent, it means one that is especially beloved. Comp. Ge 22:2; 12:1-20; 16:1-16; Jer 6:26; Zech 12:10. On both these accounts it is bestowed on the Saviour.

He was eminently the Son of God, sustaining a peculiar relation to him in his divine nature, exalted above all men and angels, and thus worthy to be called, by way of eminence, his only Son. Saints are called his sons or children, because they are born of his Spirit, or are like him; but the Lord Jesus is exalted far above all, and deserves eminently to be called his only-begotten Son. Believers are the adopted sons of God. God has only one Son and that is Jesus Christ.

The term specifies Jesus as being like the Father and refers to His deity. The phrase is (ton huion ton monogenê). Literally= "The Son the only begotten." "the only son." "Monogenes" Begotten, describes the absolutely unique relation of the Son to the Father in His divine nature. This verse plainly states...God has only one Son. We are adopted sons, not like THE SON. It notes that He was eminently the Son of God, sustaining a peculiar relation to Him in his divine nature, exalted above all men and angels, and thus worthy to be called, by way of eminence, his only Son. Believers are called his sons or children, because they are born of his Spirit, but the Lord Jesus is exalted far above all, and deserves eminently to be called his only-begotten Son.

Waggoner: The Father must not be ignored. "Let no one image that we would exalt Christ at the expense of the Father." "We honor the Father in honoring the Son. We are mindful of Paul's words, that 'to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him" 1 Cor. 8:6. He then concludes,

"All things proceed ultimately from God, the Father; even Christ Himself proceeded and came forth from the Father; but it has pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and that He should be the direct, immediate Agent in every act of creation. Our object in this investigation is to set forth Christ's rightful position of equality with the Father, in order that His power to redeem may be the better appreciated." CHR p. 19

"Finally, we know the Divine unity of the Father and the Son from the fact that both have the same Spirit. Paul, after saying that they that are in the flesh cannot please God, continues: 'But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.' Rom. 8:9. Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Christ 'is [sic] in the bosom of the Father;' being by nature of the very substance of God, and having life in Himself, He is properly called Jehovah, the self-existent One, and is thus styled in Jer. 23:56, where it is said that the righteous Branch, who shall execute judgment and justice in the earth, shall be known by the name of Jehovah-tsidekenu-THE LORD, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." CHR p. 23, 24.


Ellen White's Son, Loughborough, Haskell, Smith, Andrews, Jones, Waggoner, Prescott, Canright, Matteson, Littlejohn, Blanchard, Johnson also weighed in on the side of the begotten Son. In chronological order:

John 1:1, John 1:18 and John 3:16 
"According to this, Jesus Christ is begotten of God in a sense that no other being is; else he could not be his only begotten Son. Angels are called sons of God, and so are righteous men; but Christ is his Son in a higher sense, in a closer relation, than either of these." "God made men and angels out of materials already created. He is the author of their existence, their Creator, hence their Father. But Jesus Christ was begotten of the Father's own substance. He was not created out of material as the angels and other creatures were. He is truly and emphatically the "Son of God," the same as I am the son of my father." D. M. Canright, Review and Herald, June 18, 1867

"Even the angels of God have all had beginning of days, so that they would be as much excluded by this language as the members of the human family. And as to the Son of God, he would be excluded also, for he had God for his Father, and did, at some point in the eternity of the past, have beginning of days." J. N. Andrews, Review and Herald, 7th September 1869

"Christ is the only literal son of God. 'The only begotten of the Father.' John 1:14. He is God because he is the Son of God; not by virtue of His resurrection. If Christ is the only begotten of the Father, then we cannot be begotten of the Father in a literal sense. It can only be in a secondary sense of the word." J. G. Matteson, Review & Herald, October 12, 1869 p. 123

"Will you please favor me with those scriptures which plainly say that Christ is a created being? Answer: "You are mistaken in supposing that S. D. Adventists teach that Christ was ever createdThey believe, on the contrary, that he was "begotten" of the Father, and that he can properly be called God and worshiped as such." Question No. 96, Review and Herald, April 17, 1883, The commentary, Scripture questions, 'Answers by W. H. Littlejohn

"The Word then is Christ. The text speaks of His origin. He is the only begotten of the Father. Just how he came into existence the Bible does not inform us any more definitely; but by this expression and several of a similar kind in the Scriptures we may believe that Christ came into existence in a manner different from that in which other beings first appeared; That He sprang from the Father's being in a way not necessary for us to understand." C. W. Stone, The Captain of our Salvation, page 17, written 1883, published by Uriah Smith 1886. Charles Wesley Stone was Secretary to the General Conference, teacher in Battle Creek College

"Back in the ages, which finite mind cannot fathom, the Father and Son were alone in the universe. Christ was the first begotten of the Father, and to Him Jehovah made known the divine plan of Creation." S. N. Haskell, The Story of the Seer of Patmos, pp. 93, 94. 1905 "Christ was the firstborn in heaven; He was likewise the firstborn of God upon earth, and heir to the Father's throne. Christ, the firstborn, though the Son of God, was clothed in humanity, and was made perfect through suffering." S. N. Haskell, The Story of the Seer of Patmos, pp. 98, 99. 1905.

"From a reading of John 1:1-3, 10, it will be seen that the world, with all it contains, was created by Christ (the Word), for "all things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made." The angels, therefore, being created, are necessarily lower than Christ, their Creator. Christ is the only being begotten of the Father." James Edson White, Past, Present, and Future, page 52, chapter, 'Angels - their nature', 1914 edition (1909)

"Christ is the agent through whom God has created all things, but that he himself came into existence in a different manner, as he is called the only begotten of the Father." J. N. Loughborough, Insert A-1, Lest We Forget, Volume 4, Number 2, Second Quarter, 1994

Consequently, they accepted that he naturally inherited his Father's divine nature.

"The divinity and pre-existence of our Saviour are most clearly proved by those scriptures which refer to him as "the Word." [quotes] John i, 1-3. This expresses plainly a pre-existent divinity." J. H. Waggoner, Review and Herald, October 27, 1863 'The atonement'

"We are well aware that there has been much disputation on the subject of the sonship of Christ in the religious world, some claiming that he is nothing but a man as to origin, being only about eighteen hundred years old; others that he is the very and eternal God, the second person in the trinity. This last view is by far the most widely entertained among religious denominations. We are disposed to think that the truth lies between these views." H. C. Blanchard, Review and Herald, September 10, 1867, 'The Son'

"Since Christ is begotten of the Father, he must therefore be of the same substance as the Father; hence he must have the same divine attributes that God has, and therefore he is God." O, A. Johnson, Bible Doctrines, page 34, Lesson IX, 'God the Father' 1917

In response to a book published by the Methodist Church written by M.C. Bringgs charging SDAdventists with teaching errors including the seventh day Sabbath and denying Christ's divinity, EJ Waggoner wrote:

"But when the doctor [Briggs] states that Seventh-day Adventists deny the divinity of Christ, we know that he writes recklessly." 
"We have no theory to bolster up, and so, instead of stating prepositions, we shall simply quote the word of God, and accept what it says." 
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" John 1:1. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14. 
"We believe in the divinity of Christ, because the Bible says that Christ is God
"From these texts we have proof not only that the inspired writers call Jesus the divine Son of God, but that Jesus himself claimed to be God." E. J. Waggoner.Signs of the Times, March 25, 1889, article 'The Divinity of Christ'

"That Christ is divine is shown by the fact that he receives worship." 
"If Christ were not God, then this [worship] would be idolatry" Ellet J. Waggoner, Signs of the Times 'The Divinity of Christ (continued)', April 8, 1889

"The measure of the Holy Spirit we receive will be proportioned to the measure of our desire and the faith exercised for itand the use we shall make of the light and knowledge (perfecting testing messages) that shall be given to us."--RH May 5, 1896.

What is the latter rain? Who gets it? And when does it come? https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/the-latter-rain-what-is-it

There has been a shift in the SDA's Godhead doctrine over the years.

To the Surprise of some Adventists, the pioneers of the SDA Church, including their prophetess Ellen White, rejected these views and upheld a more Biblical view of the Godhead. They taught that Christ was the Son of GOD, that by some Divine Act Christ was brought forth from the Father before creation. And they taught that the Spirit proceeded from the Father, through the Son, making them both every-where present. This teaching was upheld until after the year 1900, which is seen by the following publications from the SDA Church during that time period. 

Ellen White clearly denied the Deomonic doctrine of role playing 

“The sonship of Jesus, however, is not ontological, but functional. In the plan of salvation each member of the trinity has accepted a particular role”. - The Trinity In Scripture by Gerhard Pfandl, Biblical Research Institute, Silver Spring, MD. June 1999.  

(Today the Modern SDA Church proclaims that it believes in the orthodox Trinity, but actually it teaches a form of Tritheism. https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/stay-on-the-ship/seventh-day-adventism-cannot-be-the-remnant)

which is promoted by the Modern Adventist Church, when she wrote that Christ was the eternal Son of GOD, begotten before he came to earth: 

Ellen White: “But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed."  {
Selected Messages Book 1, p. 247.2, RH April 5, 1906, par. 5}



Ellen White: Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father.” (Ellen White, Youth’s Instructor, December 20, 1900, par. 4

Ellen White: “The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. “(Ellen White, Review and Herald, July 9, 1895, par. 13)

Ellen White: “Christ is the Son of God in deed and in truth and in love, and is the representative of the Father as well as the representative of the human race.” (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, page 83)

Ellen White:
 “He gave His only begotten Son— not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”.  
ST May 30, 1895, par. 3 

Ellen White: "The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind."
 RH July 9, 1895, par. 13

James White: “Here we might mention  the Trinity, which  does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being ‘buried with Christ in baptism,’ ‘planted in the likeness of his death:’ but we pass from these fables to notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant [the Sunday]” James White, Review and Herald, December 11, 1855

Ellen White: "This wine of error is made up of false doctrines, such as the natural immortality of the soul, the eternal torment of the wicked, the denial of the pre-existence of Christ prior to His birth in Bethlehem, and advocating and exalting the first day of the week above God’s holy and sanctified day. These and kindred errors are presented to the world by the various churches, and thus the Scriptures are fulfilled that say, ‘For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.’ It is a wrath which is created by false doctrines, and when kings and presidents drink this wine of the wrath of her fornication, they are stirred with anger against those who will not come into harmony with the false and satanic heresies which exalt the false sabbath, and lead men to trample underfoot God’s memorial.

“Fallen angels upon earth form confederations with evil men. In this age antichrist will appear as the true Christ, and then the law of God will be fully made void in the nations of our world. Rebellion against God’s holy law will be fully ripe. But the true leader of all this rebellion is Satan clothed as an angel of light. Men will be deceived and will exalt him to the place of God, and deify him. But Omnipotence will interpose, and to the apostate churches that unite in the exaltation of Satan, the sentence will go forth, ‘Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.’”  {Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, p. 61.3 Evangelism, p. 365.1 Testimony Treasures Volume 2, p. 362.3, RH September 12, 1893, par. 20Notebook Leaflets from the Elmshaven Library Vol. 1, p. 52.2} 

"Before the foundations of the world were laid, Christ, the Only Begotten of God, pledged Himself to become the Redeemer of the human race, should Adam sin. Adam fell, and He who was partaker of the Father’s glory before the world was, laid aside His royal robe and kingly crown, and stepped down from His high authority to become a Babe in Bethlehem, that by passing over the ground where Adam stumbled and fell, He might redeem fallen human beings. He subjected Himself to all the temptations that the enemy brings against men and women; and all the assaults of Satan could not make Him swerve from His loyalty to the Father. By living a sinless life He testified that every son and daughter of Adam can resist the temptations of the one who first brought sin into the world.

Christ brought men and women power to overcome. He came to this world in human form, to live a man amongst men. He assumed the liabilities of human nature, to be proved and tried. In His humanity He was a partaker of the divine nature. In His incarnation He gained in a new sense the title of the Son of God."  Selected Messages Book 1, p. 226.2

"That law of ten precepts of the greatest love that can be presented to man is the voice of God from heaven speaking to the soul in promise, "This do, and you will not come under the dominion and control of Satan." There is not a negative in that law, although it may appear thus. It is DO and Live." EGW God's Amazing Grace - Page 132

James 1:22 KJV "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." 
Philippians 4:13 (King James Version) "I can do ALL things through Christ which strengtheneth me."

Is God’s Law Still Binding?

No error accepted by the Christian world strikes more boldly against the authority of Heaven, none is more directly opposed to the dictates of reason, none is more pernicious in its results, than the modern doctrine, so rapidly gaining ground, that God’s law is no longer binding upon men. Every nation has its laws, which command respect and obedience; no government could exist without them; and can it be conceived that the Creator of the heavens and the earth has no law to govern the beings He has made? Suppose that prominent ministers were publicly to teach that the statutes which govern their land and protect the rights of its citizens were not obligatory—that they restricted the liberties of the people, and therefore ought not to be obeyed; how long would such men be tolerated in the pulpit? But is it a graver offense to disregard the laws of states and nations than to trample upon those divine precepts which are the foundation of all government?

The Great Controversy, pp. 582-584

https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/the-preincarnate-son-of-god

https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/jesus-begotten-or-created

Persons or Beings? 
Mrs White demonstrated a distinction between the words "person" and "being". She did not use them interchangeably. While Ellen White speaks of multiple personalities in the Godhead, she consistently identifies only two beings: The Father and His Son.

"The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son." EGW, 8T 268.3, 1904

"The only being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter's bench with his earthly parent." EGW, Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897 par. 3

"Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father-one in nature, in character, and in purpose-the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God." EGW, Great Controversy 493. 1888, Patriarchs and Prophets, p.34

"There is a personal God, the Father; there is a personal Christ, the Son."
Review & Herald, Nov. 8, 1898.

"God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895

This is mentioned in Scripture:

Zech 6:13Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. (both indicates only two)

2 John 1:9

Amplified Bible (AMP)

Anyone who runs on ahead [of God] and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ [who is not content with what He taught] does not have God; but he who continues to live in the doctrine (teaching) of Christ [does have God], he has both the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23 "No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." This is WHY we do not want to deny that Christ came out from God prior to Bethlehem - that Christ was twice born just as we need to be twice born! To deny that God had a Son to GIVE (See John 3:16 How could God GIVE something He did not have?) is to deny both God and Jesus!

"As Christ was twice born, once in eternity, the only begotten of the Father, and again here in the flesh, thus uniting the divine with the human in that second birth, so we, who have been born once already in the flesh, are to have the second birth, being born again of the Spirit, in order that our experience may be the same, the human and the divine being joined in a life union." W.W. PRESCOTT Review and Herald, April 14, 1896 p. 232.

"He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, GOD's first- born, to the earth, and was born again, But all in Christ's work goes by opposites for us: he, the sinless one, was made to be sin, in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. He, the living one, the prince and author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of GOD, was born again, in order that we might be born again." A.T. JONES

"If Jesus Christ had never been born again, could you and I have ever been born again? No. But he was born again, from the world of righteousness into the world of sin; that we might be born again, from the world of sin into the world of righteousness. He was born again, and was made partaker of the human nature, that we might be born again, and so made partakers of the divine nature. He was born again, unto earth, unto sin, and unto man, that we might be born again unto heaven, unto righteousness, and unto God." Review and Herald, Aug. 1, 1899 

Ellen White: Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father.” (Ellen White, Youth’s Instructor, December 20, 1900, par. 4

Ellen White: “The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. “(Ellen White, Review and Herald, July 9, 1895, par. 13)

“Said the angel, “Think ye that the Father yielded up His dearly beloved Son without a struggle? No, no’ It was even a struggle with the God of heaven, whether to let guilty man perish, or to give His darling Son to die for them” Early Writings, p. 127.1 & Supplement to the Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White, p. 48.1


Ellen White: Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father.” (Ellen White, Youth’s Instructor, December 20, 1900, par. 4

"The Son of God was 
next in authority to the great Lawgiver. He knew that 
His life alone could be sufficient to ransom fallen man." --Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 2, page 9, also in Lift Him Up, page 24

Ellen White: “Christ is the Son of God in deed and in truth and in love, and is the representative of the Father as well as the representative of the human race.” (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, page 83)


Ellen White:
 “He gave His only begotten Son— not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”.  
ST May 30, 1895, par. 3 

Ellen White: "The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind."
 RH July 9, 1895, par. 13

James White: “Here we might mention  the Trinity, which  does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being ‘buried with Christ in baptism,’ ‘planted in the likeness of his death:’ but we pass from these fables to notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant [the Sunday]” James White, Review and Herald, December 11, 1855

Ellen White: "This wine of error is made up of false doctrines, such as the natural immortality of the soul, the eternal torment of the wicked, the denial of the pre-existence of Christ prior to His birth in Bethlehem, and advocating and exalting the first day of the week above God’s holy and sanctified day. These and kindred errors are presented to the world by the various churches, and thus the Scriptures are fulfilled that say, ‘For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.’ It is a wrath which is created by false doctrines, and when kings and presidents drink this wine of the wrath of her fornication, they are stirred with anger against those who will not come into harmony with the false and satanic heresies which exalt the false sabbath, and lead men to trample underfoot God’s memorial.


Text about two men"

14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

How can such statements as these be consistent with a belief in the trinity?
This is blasphemy to trinitarians. And when the Spirit is identified it is the Spirit of Christ.

"Let them be thankful to God for His manifold mercies and be kind to one another. They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit-the Spirit of Christ-is to bring unity into their ranks." EGW, 9T 189 1906

Again, notice there is only one relationship between two beings: that of Father and Son:

"Christ is one with the Father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages. Read the prayer of Christ in the seventeenth chapter of John, and you will find this point clearly brought out.” (Ellen G. White to the delegates at the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, Takoma Park Washington D. C., May 19, 1905 in Review and Herald, June 1, 1905)

"By the power of His love, through obedience, fallen man, a worm of the dust, is to be transformed, fitted to be a member of the heavenly family, a companion through eternal ages of God and Christ and the holy angels.…-Manuscript 21, Feb. 16, 1900. (The Upward Look, page 61).

"The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted." Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898, par. 2.

"The human family cost God and his Son Jesus Christ an infinite price." Special Testimonies On Education, p. 21

"No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known only to the Father and the Son." E. G. White, The Bible Echo, October 28, 1895 par. 4.

Did we not cost the Spirit anything? Is this great cost not known to the Spirit? There is only one apparent exception to Ellen White's consistent use of persons/personalities and beings. The following was not actually written by Ellen White, but reported by someone listening to a sermon which she gave in Oakland, California, Sabbath afternoon, October 20, 1906:

"You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling . . . When I feel oppressed, and hardly know how to relate myself toward the work that God has given me to do, I just call upon the three great Worthies, and say; You know I cannot do this work in my own strength." 7 Manuscript Release 267.2

The use of the term "beings" differs from all her other published statements where she uses "persons". The fact that this isolated comment alleged to have been made by her contradicts her other written and published statements, makes it applicable to the following words of caution from Ellen herself:

"And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works." 5T 696.1

It is interesting that this statement of "three holiest beings" was only revealed very recently. The date of release is noted by the White Estate as "Released March 16, 1976." 7MR 273.

Ellen White emphasized the threeness of the Godhead in terms of thinking persons with manifested personalities (not impersonal force fields). She explained the oneness of the Godhead in terms of having the same divine nature, character, purpose and love. But she never speaks of three in one person; she recognizes only two beings.

Because of these changes in Ellen White's explicit statements after 1888, some contend that an understanding of the Godhead was a late development that matured over time into a fully orthodox doctrine of the Trinity. But Ellen White stood firm on maintaining the original "pillars of the faith" established in those early years after 1844.

"When men come in who would move one pin or pillar from the foundation which God has established by His Holy Spirit, let the aged men who were pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals." EG White, Manuscript Releases Volume 1, p. 55

Ellen White's sons followed her advice and did not change their belief in either the literal Sonship or the separate individuality of the Spirit:

"Christ is the only being begotten of the Father." James Edson White, Past, Present and Future, p. 52. 1909

Did you get that? “What is the shame of this nakedness and poverty? “…of separating ourselves from God!” If we as a “professed” Adventist have rashly denied the BRIGHT light set up behind us {our historical SDA foundational doctrines} by rejecting the one and only true God, “professed” Adventists today are shamefully naked! Without God and His power! "Why is there so dim a perception of the true spiritual condition of the church?  Has not blindness fallen upon the watchmen standing on the walls of Zion?...Who can truthfully say, 'Our gold is tried in the fire; our garments are unspotted by the world'?  I saw our Instructor pointing to the garments of so-called righteousness.  Stripping them off, He laid bare the defilement beneath.  Then He {Christ} said to me: 'Can you not see how they have pretentiously covered up their defilement and rottenness of character?  'How is the faithful city become an harlot!  My Father's house is made a house of merchandise, A PLACE WHENCE THE DIVINE PRESENCE AND GLORY HAVE DEPARTED!'"  —{Testimonies, vol 8, p 248-250, April 21, 1903}

 

"The confusion is hushed. The sound of traffic and bargaining has ceased. The silence becomes painful. A sense of awe overpowers the assembly. It is as if they were arraigned before the tribunal of God to answer for their deeds. Looking upon Christ, they behold divinity flash through the garb of humanity. The Majesty of heaven stands as the Judge will stand at the last day,--not now encircled with the glory that will then attend Him, but with the same power to read the soul. His eye sweeps over the multitude, taking in every individual. His form seems to rise above them in commanding dignity, and a divine light illuminates His countenance. He speaks, and His clear, ringing voice--the same that upon Mount Sinai proclaimed the law that priests and rulers are transgressing--is heard echoing through the arches of the temple: "Take these things hence; make not My Father's house an house of merchandise."
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